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Hi, it was suggested I post on here as well as the general board, sorry for any repetition.

I am looking for my Grandmother, Millicent Louise French born in 1921, place unknown but probably in the London area. It is not the Millicent French with the mother Mouland, this is the only one who keeps coming up and I have been through that family and it isn't the right person unfortunately. My grandmother married Alfred Bateman in Watford, 1943. She died in 2007 so her death record isn't listed yet.
She has a sister, or possibly only half sister, Ivy Gertrude French born in Wandsworth, 1919, to Rose Legg and William Henry Brown French (he is listed as William French).
I have not been able to find any further information for Rose Legg and William French that fits, no marriage certificate and no other children.

Either William French or Rose Legg, or both, may have died in the early 1920's as my grandmother and great aunt were taken into a convent in Finchley when 'they were young' but don't have a year, and unfortunately the convent has destroyed records for that period.
There is also a brother, or possibly half brother, by the name of Valentine French older than my great aunt and grandmother, but the only record in that name is not the right person as he died too early, my Valentine French was certainly alive in the 1970s, and we believe he would have been born around 1910.

I hope that makes sense, any thoughts appreciated :-S

Do you have your grandmothers marriage cert to be sure of her fathers name?

Do you have her exact date of birth?

Could this be Valentines birth??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
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French Valentine G R Hackney 1b 508


I see his father had 2 middle names, so a possible??

Could this be your Millicent?

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
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FRENCH Minnie L Manning Wandsworth 1d 959


Andy

Not that one Dee going on 1911

FRENCH, George James Head Married M 73 1838 Private Means London Marylebone
FRENCH, Mary Ann Wife Married
52 years F 79 1832 London Shoreditch
FRENCH, Arthur Brace Son Married M 43 1868 Commercial Clerk London Hackney
FRENCH, Rosetta Maria Whillimina Daughter In Law Married
3 years F 38 1873 London Islington
FRENCH, Thelma Florence Granddaughter F 1 1910 London Hackney
FRENCH, Valentine George Robert Grandson M 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 London Hackney

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
South East Hackney Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
St John At Hackney

Address:
31 Groombridge Road South Hackney County:
London


Nor mine as his father was a Phillip on 1911..

Is there a connection here??

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1922 (>99%)
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FRENCH Valentine Manning Wandsworth 1d 841
MANNING Rose French Wandsworth 1d 841

Andy

Wow, i wasn't expecting so many fast responses!! Thanks for your help, :-D not sure what is the best way to answer so will work through them one by one now ...

Do you know what William Frenchs occupation was please?

Maybe Rosetta had been married before.


Marriages Dec 1908 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

...........FRENCH Arthur Brace - Hackney 1b 913 <<<<<<<
SCUDDER Daisy Isabella Hackney 1b 913
...........SIDNEY Rosetta Maria W - Hackney 1b 913 <<<<<<<<<
THOMAS Isaac Fairclough Hackney 1b 913

Cor blimey, how many names did she have ?


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Births Sep 1871
HARPER Rosetta Maria W- Islington 1b 345

Looks like that Rosetta may have married again;

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Rosetta M W French Name: Rosetta M W French
Spouse Surname: Taylor
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1930
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1761
Find Spouse: Frederic H Taylor




England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Rosetta M W Taylor Name: Rosetta M W Taylor
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Oundle
Inferred County: Huntingdonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 499

Births Jun 1903
French Valentine Lois R - Chelmsford 4a 714
FRENCH Valentine Louis R - Chelmsford 4a 714

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Could someone look up the details please

1911 census
FRENCH ROSE - F - 1894 - 17 - Dunmow Essex
FRENCH VALENTINE L R - M- 1905 - 6 - Dunmow Essex

I already did Mike and the other one...

1903 Valentine is father Phillip

FRENCH, Philip Head Married
27 years M 50 1861 Labourer In Brewery Essex Great Waltham
FRENCH, Mary Anne Wife Married F 48 1863 Essex Barcham
FRENCH, Reginald Thomas Son Single M 18 1893 Brewers Labourer Essex Great Waltham
FRENCH, Valentine L R Son M 6 1905 Essex Great Waltham

???
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Albert Valentine French
Name: William Albert Valentine French
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1906
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1906
Father's name: William Henry Brown French Occ:Horsekeeper
Mother's name: Elizabeth French
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St John
Borough: Wandsworth
12 Sewell Rd

Maureen

As Patchem has asked on your other thread and I asked earlier

When was Millicents exact birthdate please?
Do you know?

Also on there you say she has father down as John French on marriage and so did Ivy although that was changed later.
But you did not say what his occupation was .

2 threads on this subject are not good..

So best to stick to one and say which one..


Edits...

Oh well done Maureen......Trust you to do the sensible thing and find his baptism..: :-D

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
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French William Albert V 0 Wandsworth 1d 322


Name: William Albert Valentine French
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1906
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1906
Father's name: William Henry Brown French
Mother's name: Elizabeth French
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St John
Borough: Wandsworth

(PB written on side of image. Fathers occ. Horsekeeper, 12 Sewell Rd.)

Just adding, in case the above W H B French ties in somewhere!.

Chris :)

Oh pooh,Chris! Was just looking to see if he survived.

Maureen

With regards to her marriage certificate - I do, yes. She lists her father as John French (deceased). However, just to add to the mess, her sister Ivy also listed her father as John French on her original marriage certifcate of 1943 but this was then crossed through and altered in December 1944 by the registrar with a handwritten comment saying "For John French read William Henry Brown French". My grandmothers marriage certificate has not been changed.

With regards to her birthday,

I am not sure how i can confirm or reject the Valentines, only thing to go on is the William French?

Andy - I had come across the Manning, but hadnt found the Valentine so that is interesting, what did you search on for that result?

many thanks guys :-D

Clarrisa.

Did you note the baptism and death for one child in 1906 whose fathers name was William Henry Brown French?

So, her birthday has always been in question, she said it was changed when she found out some information when applying for passport so we have 8th August and 21st August.

with regards to her father's occupation, she said there was some connection with a margerine factory.

as another note, the mother on her sisters birth certicate is listed as Rose French late Humphries formally Legg.