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I'm trying to find out the details of Emily Welch b1866 Kings Lynn. In the 1891 census she is already a widow living on own means at Silwood St, Rotherhithe. Also there are her two children Fredk, 2 & Emily 9 mths.
Plus her widow sister Agnes Armouni 27 (Kings Lynn) & her son George L Armouni, age 1 born Bealey Kent.
Very unfornate these two sisters seemed to have lost their husbands so soon.
Emily remarried to widower Charles Muirhead by 1901 & they had 3 children by that census - Chas 6, Robert 5 & Ernest 3.
As always I'd be very grateful for any details of the past of the two sisters as I don't seem to have (the brains?) access to this type of information.

The birth cert. of one of the children will give you their father's name which will help find a marriage, " if " there was one!

for ref:-

Name: Emily A Welch
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Tingwall, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Katharines
Town: Rotherhithe
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 385
Folio: 59
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Emily A Welch 25
Frederick Welch 2
Emily E Welch 9 12
Arnet Armour 27
George L Armour 1

Maiden name Oakes?


Name: Charles Muirhead
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: Emily Alice Welsh
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1892
Parish: All Saints, Battle Bridge
County: London
Borough: Islington
Father Name: James Muirhead -occ wheelwright
>>>>Spouse Father Name: Thomas Oakes - occ shipwright

Both spouses were widowed

Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
Welch Emily Eliza St. Olave 1d 278


First marriage?

Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
BERRY Annie Lydia St. Saviour 1d 23
FORD Edward St Saviour 1d 23
xxxx OAKES Emily Alice St.Saviour 1d 23
xxxx WELCH Frank St Saviour 1d 23


His death?

Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)
Welch Frank 34 St. Olave 1d 218

Births Sep 1866
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Oakes Emily A King's L. 4b 328


Births Sep 1864
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OAKES Agnes Kings L 4b 339

Name: Emily Alice Oakes
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: Frank Welch
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Jul 1886
Parish: All Saints, Newington
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Thomas Oakes
Spouse Father Name: John Browning Welch

Agnes Oakes was a witness

Agnes' marriage?

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
xxxx ARMANNI Luigi London C. 1c 108
CROSS Henry Joseph London City 1c 108
Nicklin Eliza Alice London City 1c 108
xxxx OAKES Agnes London City 1c 108


Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
Armanni George Luigi Dartford 2a 472



Agnes wasn't widowed in 1891, but this could explain why she said she was!


1891
Name: Luigi Armanni
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: *Engineer

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Prison
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 690
Folio: 155
Page Number: 5

Name: Luigi Armanni
Date of Trial: 3 Jul 1890
Trial Year: 1890
Location of Trial: Kent, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Sentenced to 18 mths for attempting to commit an unnatural offence.

Agnes in 1881:

Name: Agnes Oakes
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 96 King George St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dom Servant

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 721
Folio: 67
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas J. Medlock 46
Martha Ann Medlock 46
Agnes Medlock 21
Frederick Medlock 18
Alice Medlock 12
Alfred Medlock 8
George William Medlock 6
Thomas E. Medlock 4
>>>>Agnes Oakes 17

marriage
Marriages Dec 1887

ARMANNI Luigi London C. 1c 108

OAKES Agnes London City 1c 108

Looks like Agnes wasn't a widower in 1891


Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)
Armanni Luigi 73 Holborn 1b 706
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Might be worth investigating as both deaths tie in with her birth

Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
Armanni Agnes 36 Holborn 1b 546

Deaths Jun 1942 (>99%)
Armanni Agnese 78 Islington 1b 202

Death for Agnes?

FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Agnes Armanni Name: Agnes Armanni
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1900
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: Holborn
Inferred County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 546

Agnes Oakes born @ 1864 married O/N/D 1887 in London City to Luigi Armanni.

Emily Alice Oakes married 25/7/1886 to Frank Welch he was born @ 1856 died 1891??
She married Charles Muirhead Sept 1892 in islington he was born @ 1856 died 1912.

Parents of Agnes and Emily were Thomas Oakes 1831 and Eliza Ann Medlock 1832 that info off tree so please check.

Maryb.

1901
Name: Luigi Armanni
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Brercia Italian Subject, Italy

Civil parish: St Andrew and St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Electrical ? Maker

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Holborn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 443
Piece: 245
Folio: 31
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Luigi Armanni 40
George Armanni 11
Lena Armanni 8 - born: Bexley Heath, Kent,
Emma Armanni 4 - born: Bexley Heath, Kent,
Helda Eshe 20

3/7/1890 Luigi Armanni given 18months sentence for attempt to commit annunatural offence so in 1891 he was in prison.

Maryb.

I accidently deleted census 1871 whilst trying to edit it:

Name: Agnes Oakes
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Oakes
Mother's name: Eliza Oakes
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 573
Folio: 134
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Oakes 34 c1837 Norfolk
Eliza Oakes 33 c1838 Norfolk
Walter Oakes 10
>>>Agnes Oakes 6 c1865 Norfolk
>>>Emily Oakes 4 c1867 Norfolk

Name: George Luigi Armanni
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1890
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 472

1901 census says he is still married
Name: Luigi Armanni
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Brercia Italian Subject, Italy

Civil parish: St Andrew and St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:56 Gloucester street

Occupation:Electrical instrument maker

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Holborn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 443
Piece: 245
Folio: 31
Page Number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Luigi Armanni 40
George Armanni 11
Lena Armanni 8
Emma Armanni 4
Helda Eshe 20 servant



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 245; Folio: 31; Page:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about Luigi Armanni

Name: Luigi Armanni
Probate Date: 11 Apr 1934
Death Date: 7 Mar 1934
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London

Reads:-
Armmani Luigi of 15/19 Vine-Street Clerkenwell Middlesex died 7 March 1934 Administration London 11 April to George Armanni electrical engineer. Effects £582 8s 6d.

He died 7/3/1934 log 15/19 Vine street clerkenwell left £582 8 6d to George Armanni.

There was a death 1900 in Holborn for Agnes Armanni,but ther was also one in islington 1942.

Maryb.

Many many thanks everyone, That's more than enough info for me to sort them all out.
As always, everybody came up trumps.

1911 59,Moscow Rd 2 roomed flat his businass premises?He is a general electrician.
Luigi born Italy 1861 a widow 3 children all alive.
He his with 2 of them and he has written that
George has run away from house and unsure of his whereabouts at present.

Maryb