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I am trying to find more information about my g grandparents

Robert Jones (Abt 1885) - & Hannah Davies (Jun 1890 - Dec 59)

Children:
Lilian M Jones - 01 Nov 1913
Raymond Jones - Abt 1920
Reginald William Jones - 28 Jul 1921 (Bebbington) - Sept 2005
Derek B Jones - Abt 1924

Unfortunately I have 2 marriages for people of the same names and can not decide which is the right ones.

One on 11 Mar 1911 at Chester registry office (residing Hoole)
The other 9 Nov 1920 at Chester registry office (residing at 25 Alma Street)

I would like to try and find them on any of the census to try and get a thread. They seem to have resided Chester/Wirral/North Wales area.

I know its virtually impossible with surnames of Jones & Davies. Hannah did have sisters called Gladys & Catherine we think ?

Any help would be much appreciated, I do have a little more info but not sure what is correct or what else to add.

Sue xx

If they had a child in 1913 surely it had to be the 1911 marriage? Perhaps someone with access to the 1911 census could find them? It was taken 2 April.

1911 for Robert and Hannah:

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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WHEATCROFT, William Head Married M 49 1862 Gardener Domestic Lincoln VIEW
WHEATCROFT, Catherine Wife Married
19 years F 39 1872 Liverpool VIEW
SHIMMIN, Elsie Niece F 12 1899 School Liverpool VIEW
JONES, Harriet Boarder Married F 24 1887 Dressmaker Nefoln Salop VIEW
JONES, Bert Boarder Married M 28 1883 Groom Domestic Osliestry VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21886 Reference:
RG14PN21886 RG78PN1303 RD450 SD3 ED16 SN113

Registration District:
Chester Sub District:
Chester Cathedral Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Hoole Village

Address:
1 Burley Cottage Hoole Village Chester County:
Cheshire

Jill.......What makes this the census for Robert and Hannah ?

Margee

That's what I originally thought but some family talk says Lilian may have been born out of wedlock ?

Having difficulty finding the correct birth cert although I have the correct death cert so am sure about dates.

Regards
Sue

Jill

Im not sure about the details you posted are they all there? I can not see my rellies on your info .

Regards
Sue

Ooh ... Harriet ... well, I searched for Robert and came up with a short list - when I saw this one I thought Bingo! Oops. Anyway, I will leave it there. As this couple were boarding with a family the names might have been slightly out so you never know.

Jill

OK - next attempt (not sure though as they say married 4 years):

JONES JR, Robert Edward Head Married M 25 1886 Cab Proprietor Cheshire Sale VIEW
JONES, Hannah Wife Married
4 years F 26 1885 None Lancs Manchester VIEW
JONES, John Daughter Single F 2 1909 None Cheshire Sale VIEW
RENSHAW, William Boarder Single M 20 1891 Market Gardener Cheshire Sale VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21570 Reference:
RG14PN21570 RG78PN1284 RD445 SD3 ED14 SN246

Registration District:
Bucklow Sub District:
Sale Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Sale

Address:
82 Cross Street Sale County:
Cheshire


Do you know what Robert's occupation was?

Jill

Thank you Jill ...I do hate it when people delete stuff...I found one rellie coz some of the family lived next door and it was posted by mistake ..so it does work

I know what you mean Kemp.

That last one was the closest out of that attempt - I still favour my first attempt though even if her name is not quite right ... living in Hoole, married just a short time ... it adds up reasonably well.

I think Sue you might just have to bite the bullet and send off for the 1911 marriage cert - it makes sense as if Robert was away during WW1 then the next child born in 1920 fits with that. Do you know if he was in WW1 - it might be worth trying to find army or navy records.

Jill

Jill

Nothing exciting, General Labourer !

Regards

Sue

Jill

I have the 1911 Marriage cert, but I just can't find a thread to tie things together, as family members do not know Hannah or Roberts parents names, or any of Roberts siblings, although it is thought Hannah may have had sisters called Gladys & Catherine, (Aunty Katie).

Actually the more I think about it and look into it I think the 1911 marriage can't be right as she is down as aged 25 and as I know she was born in 1890 she should only be 21 in 1911.

Just would love to be able to go back further on these family lines, thought if I could trace them on 1911, 1901 & 1891 census I could then go backwards !

What are the father's names given as?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Not seeing a Lilian Jones/Davies born nov 1913 unless she is one of these?

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Jones Lilian Davies Neath 11a 2002

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Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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JONES Lilian Davies Carmarthen 11a 2781

This one?

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Jones Lilian Davies Neath 11a 2002

Could Lilian have been illegitimate?

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Davies Lilian M Davies Swansea 11a 2344

I think she could be ?

William

The fathers names on the 1911 wedding cert are ..... wait for it....

John Jones (Collier)
David Davies (Wheelwright)

on the copy of 1920 wedding cert i have William Jones (Deceased) General labouer and William Davies - bootmaker

The 1920 one ties in with Hannah's age as it says 30, which would be correct with the birth I have in 1890.

nudge

I have a different wedding cert 9th Nove 1920 that I think fits better with the dates of birth and the fathers names on that are:

William Jones (Deceased) - General labourer (father of Robert)

William Davies - Boot maker (master)

Can you just search on an occupation on the 1911 census??

Regards
Sue