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sorry to be a pain but thanks anyway

I'm sorry jaded no one said you posted Daniel Day

I said I posted Daniel Day on page 1

I am assuming that you think the John Marshall in the 1841 household with Daniel Day and Mary Marshall is your John ... seems reasonable

this has been too much hard slogging trying to find out what you know so I think I in any case have done my best for now, so you're welcome and I'll take a rest

i didnot post dannniel day sorry but someone come to door Thanks

how about ..........

1851

Name: Mary Ann Mash
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relation: Lodger
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Thorpe Le Soken, Essex, England

Civil parish: Tendring
County/Island: Essex

William Howard 57 agricultural labourer
Mary Ann Mash 46 pauper

Prickly Holly and I posted the same John Marshall in 1851 and 1861, surely this is the father of Samuel

here he is in 1881

Name: John Marshall
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Marshall
Gender: Male
Where born: Thorpe, Essex, England

Civil parish: Thorpe Le Soken

John Marshall 43
Emma Marshall 41
John Marshall 18
James Marshall 13
Maurice Marshall 12
Susan Marshall 9
Alfred Marshall 6
Sarah Marshall 4
Eliza Jane Marshall 2


this has to be the same one, there is no other


and that matches the 1841 census I posted on page 1 with Daniel Day

and of course jaded must have all this already

a fact ?

1891

Name: John Marshall
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Marshall
Gender: Male
Where born: Thorpe Le Soken, Sussex, England
[Thorpe Le Soken, Essex, England]

Civil parish: Kirby
County/Island: Essex

John Marshall 52
Emma Marshall 51
Alfred Marshall 16
Eliza Marshall 13
Samuel Marshall 10
Louisa Marshall 7
Morris Marshall 9/12


are you the person who has corrected the place of birth at Ancestry ?



Prickly Holly I posted Daniel Day 1851 census a ways back ... thread is full of duplication ...

here is a John Marshall 1839 in the 1851 census ... why not him ?

Name: Mary Marshall
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Doddinghurst
County/Island: Essex

Mary Marshall 46
George Marshall 15
John Marshall 12 born in Kelvedon Hatch, Essex
Henry Marshall 8
Lawrence Marshall 6
William Bridge 18


are we just guessing ?

I suppose it is also possible that Mary Marshall died between 1841 and 1851 and that the Mary in the 1871 is not the same Mary?

??

1851 England Census
about Daniel Day
Name: Daniel Day
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Tendring, Essex, England

Civil parish: Thorp Le Soken
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Tendring
Sub-registration district: St Osyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 1779
Folio: 344
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stowers 51
Eliza Stowers 42
Emily Stowers 10
Thomas Stowers 7
Mary Hill 17
Robert Debenham 47
Eliza Reres 27
John Almond 32
William Smith 21
Daniel Day 50
John Dennis 66 (Widower) Green Grocer.

jaded can you please try to be a little more helpful ?

yes, it -will- help, it is not just helpful it is absolutely necessary

Samuel 1881

who were -both- his parents ?

when did they marry ? what censuses have you seen them in ?

where were John 1839 and Samuel 1881 born ?

you think that John 1839 is the son of Mary in the 1841 census ?

but he was born about 1825 or 1836

where do you have John 1839's birthdayte from ?

dont know if it helps robert willian 1923 in thorpe father samuel 1881 in thorpe g father john 1839thorpe ggfather

I wonder about this one in 1851 ... if she was Mary Amelia and she put her middle initial in because she went by Amelia ?

Name: Amelia Marshal
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Thorp, Essex, England

Civil parish: Harwich St Nicholas
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Tendring

Amelia Marshal 54 widow, charwoman
Daniel Marshal 10 born Harwich


problem is I'm not sure what that says for her age, it could be 37 as easily

I don't see a birth for that Daniel under either name

this could be him but where would he be in 1841 ?

Births Sep 1839
Marshall Daniel Smith Tendring 12 244


here he is ... the one born 1839, anyway, but is he the one in 1851 ...

ah, and when we put him back together with his family that Ancestry has cut him off from

we get

Name: Daniel Marshall
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: St Nicholas
Hundred: Harwich Borough
County/Island: Essex

oh lord Ancestry has them all separated

James Marshall abt 1796 Essex, England St Nicholas, Essex
Mary Marshall abt 1796 Essex, England St Nicholas, Essex
Ann Marshall abt 1828 Essex, England St Nicholas, Essex
Sarah Marshall abt 1831 Essex, England St Nicholas, Essex
James Marshall abt 1833 Essex, England St Nicholas, Essex


is this maybe more likely to be the Mary in 1871 ?


jaded could you please explain what relation Mary is from you ?

is one of your ancestors a child of the 1871 Mary Marshall or some Mary Marshall from Essex ?

how exactly have you picked out this Mary Marshall ( or one of them ) as your Mary Marshall ?

we're doing well on the children :-)

Kemp do you want to delete a couple of the spare posts ?

Possibly son John...??

1861 England Census
about John Marshall
Name: John Marshall
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Thorp, Essex, England

Civil parish: Thorp
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Tendring
Sub-registration district: Thorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 1093
Folio: 27
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Richardson 57
Samuel Stribling 60
John Marshall 25 (Butler)

That we dont know yet!!! We are now searching for the children in both names!!!

The george day could be george marshell

Prickly Holly ... in 1871 born in Thorpe, same age ... good starting point, but I am searching with both surnames too :-)


and found son John in 1851

Name: John Marthall
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Thorp, Essex, England

Civil parish: Thorp Le Soken
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Tendring

John Austen 56
Elizabeth Austen 51
James Austen 29
Rose Austen 3
John Beer 35
John Marthall 15


again ... not much help !


I think it may have been a blended family

for instance George was Daniel's son, John was Mary's son ...

so far I would suggest getting the Sarah Jane Day birth certificate but see what else might turn up

Thanks all of the childrens father or just sarah

found son George in 1851 I think

Name: George Day
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
>> Where born: Thorp, Essex, England

Civil parish: Thorp Le Soken
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Tendring

James Bush 31
Sarah Bush 31
Triphena Bush 3
Sarah Bush 1
Eliza Baker 15
John Tye 25
George Day 18
George Cole 40
William Pitcher 55

not too much help yet !

I think the daniel day was the childrens father ........lol

How do you know that the Mary Marshall in the 1871 census is the same Mary in the 1841 census?

1871

Name: Mary A Marshall
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Thorpe, Essex, England

Civil parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Tendring

James Burgess 65
Mary A Marshall 70


she is a housekeeper and says she is a widow