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I have him in 1891 but nothing before or after.
1891
Francis Hopper Mary J abt 1844 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Head St Mary Extra, Hampshire
Marriage I think
1 Oct 1879 Mary Jane Percival St Mark, Dalston

When and where does it say Francis was born on the 1891 cencus?

Just for our info:

1891 England Census

Name: Francis Hopper
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary J Hopper
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary Extra
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Woolston
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Francis Hopper 47
Mary J Hopper 32
Francis H Hopper 10
William R Hopper 9
Ellen A Hopper 7
Frederick G Hopper 4
Maud M Hopper 2

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901 England Census about Mary Jane Stopper
Name: Mary Jane Stopper
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheerness, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Mary Extra
Ecclesiastical parish: Southampton St Mary Extra Jesus Chapel
Town: Itchen
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 1062
Folio: 14
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Jane Stopper 42
Francis H Stopper 20
William R Stopper 19
Frederick G Stopper 14
Maud M Stopper 12

1901 says Hopper on image I think - have sent correction.
Jan

If you have the right marriage,Francis says his father is Robert Till.gardener.
Eileen

Might be an idea to get this:

Births Mar 1889
Hopper Maud Mary Southampton 2c 12

Down as James in 1881:

1881 England Census
about James Hopper
Name: James Hopper
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Hopper
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 10 Reeves Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Railway Engine Cleaner (C T H)

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 496
Folio: 30
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
James Hopper 22
Mary Jane Hopper 22

Here is daughter Ellen 1901. i can't see Francis.

1901 England Census about Ellen Hopper
Name: Ellen Hopper
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Southampton

Civil parish: Southampton St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Southampton St Barnabas
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 1053
Folio: 7
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Robina J Acland 76
Louisa Isaacs 47
William Isaacs 16
Ellen Hopper 19

Not sure the James 1881 is the same as Francis?
Jan

The Mary Jane in the 1881 has the same POB as in the other censuses; also there is a Francis H with no age on the transcription and which hasn't copied over.

It is a bit of a change of occupation from Barman on the 1879 marriage.

Well done Potty, good bit of searching that.
Jan

It states she is still married in the 1911

Married 31 years..........6 children born and living.


1911 census - household transcription
Person: HOPPER, Mary
Address: Sea View Cottages Victoria Road Woolston

CHAMBERS, Robert Head Married M 29 1882 Shipwright Hampshire Sholing VIEW
CHAMBERS, Ellen Wife Married
7 years F 27 1884 Hampshire Southampton VIEW
CHAMBERS, Nellie Daughter F 6 1905 School Hampshire Itchen VIEW
CHAMBERS, Dorothy Daughter F 4 1907 Hampshire Itchen VIEW
CHAMBERS, Rosa Daughter F 2 1909 Hampshire Itchen VIEW
CHAMBERS, Robert Son M 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Hampshire Itchen VIEW
HOPPER, Mary Mother In Law Married F 52 1859 Visitor Kent Sheerness VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6031 Reference:
RG14PN6031 RG78PN275 RD100 SD1 ED9 SN109

Registration District:
South Stoneham Sub District:
St Mary Extra Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Itchen

Address:
Sea View Cottages Victoria Road Woolston County:
Hampshire

I think the marriage to Mary jane Percival is a good possibility as Francis junior was born in Middlesex. But I suppose only a birth cert of a child will tell you for sure.
I still think it's all very peculiar though, especially with that james Hopper marriage.
jan

Familysearch version...


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James HOPPER Head M Male 22 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Railway Engine Cleaner (C T H)
Mary Jane HOPPER Wife M Female 22 Sheerness, Kent, England
Francis Henry HOPPER Son Male 7 m Homerton, Middlesex, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 10 Reeves Road
Census Place London, Middlesex, England

You really need to find out Mary's maiden name for certain.
Jan

I am reasonably happy that I have the right Mary.

Mary I Percival
Birth: abt 1859 - Sheerness, Kent, England
Residence: 1871 - St Anne Limehouse, London, England

Mary J Percival
Birth: abt 1859 - Sheerness, Kent, England
Residence: 1861 - Sheerness, Minster in Sheppey, Kent, England

Name: Mary Jane Percival
Birth: Jan 1859 - Sheppey, Kent

I am doing this for my best friend,we have several hotmatches in common but no blood connection,as yet. She is not convinced that certificates are needed.

Francis Henry's baptism was on July 11 1880 at the Parish Church (b June 11 1880, Hackney, father Francis, dairyman, and mother Mary Jane. Address 8 High Sreet. Homerton.

I have checked the 1881 image, and "James" age is given as 28 not 22, which still makes him 9 years younger than "Francis" in the 1891.

Thanks Potty
A bit more that I did not have.
Just wish I could find him pre marriage.

Yes, Thelma, he is proving very elusive. His father's name on the marriage on Ancestry is a bit of a puzzle too. It is just Robert Till, occupation Gardener, not Robert Till Hopper. I did wonder if his parents weren't married.

I have looked on the 1881 for a Robert Till, Gardener, but can't find one.

I also tried an address search on the 1881 for the address on the marriage (Eleanor Cottage, Clarence Road) but not having any success with that either!