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Emigrated to Canada where he married Yvonne.Can anyone help me find what happened next?He was my greatgrandfathers brother,and we have no idea what happened to him or where to start looking.we don't know when he emigrated but is likely to be between 1901 and 1911 as we can't find him on the 1911 uk census.
thanks sue

This presumably is the registration of his birth:

Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
Carey John Edwin St. Giles 1b 629

Do you know where and when he married Yvonne?

No All I know is that he fell out with his father moved to canada and married a Yvonne

There is this one on a passenger list (although no middle name given but age is about right):-

Name: John CAREY
Date of departure: 8 October 1908
Port of departure: Belfast
Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada

Date of Birth: 1879 (calculated from age)
Age: 29
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 3

The strange thing is that the master of the ship has the same surname:-

Ship: LAKE ERIE
Official Number: 110631
Master's name: F. Carey <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Steamship Line: Canadian Pacific
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 17018
Registered tonnage: 4846
Passengers on voyage: 56

Kath. x

Just a bit of information in case you haven't already got it:

Name: John Edwin Carey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 3 Aug 1879
Father's Name: Alfred John Carey
Mother's Name: Sophia Grace Carey
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Aldermary
Borough: City of London

1881:
Name: John E. Carey
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Carey
Mother's Name: Grace Carey
Gender: Male
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St John The Baptist
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 13 Queen St Cheapside
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: Castle Baynard
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 379
Folio: 19
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carey 28
Grace Carey 28
John E. Carey 2
Henery B. Carey

Name: Henry Bluadell Cary (Should read Blundell)
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 1 Oct 1880
Father's Name: Alfred John Cary
Mother's Name: Grace Sophia Cary
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Aldermary
Borough: City of London

1901???
Name: John Carey
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: London City
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine Hatcham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 241
Piece: 533
Folio: 23
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert W Chilvers 35
Clarisa E Chilvers 29
Walter E Chilvers 8
John Carey 22
Henry Carey 20
Frederick Magee 16
Lily Matson 16

John and Henry's fathers will:

Name: Alfred John Carey
Probate Date: 31 Jan 1941
Death Date: 20 Dec 1940
Death Place: Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Registry: Winchester

John and Henry's parents in 1891. Neither John or Henry are with their parents but another son, Albert John b1874 is:

1891:

Name: Alfred I Carey
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Grace S Carey
Gender: Male
Where born: Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: St Anthalin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anthony
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: Allhallows Barking
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 239
Folio: 175
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred I Carey 38
Grace S Carey 38
Albert I Carey 15

Possible for 1911 Canada census:

Name: John Carey
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 30
Birth Date: Aug 1880
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mannie Carey
Immigration Year: 1908
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Hamilton West
District Number: 78
Sub-District: Ward four
Sub-District Number: 12
Place of Habitation: 104 Caroline
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Carey 30
Mannie Carey 31

There were lots of Careys in Ireland, but what would he,born and raised in London have been doing in Belfast. 1901 census a drapers assistant rather than a farmer so it looks unlikely
I found this for entries to the us and wondered if it might be him which might be correct as his grandparents lived in saliisbury but the problem with that is that he is listed as a US citizen
John , but sailing from southhampton would make more sense-
Surname Carey
Last Place of Residence Salisbary, England
Date of Arrival 10 Mar 1909
Age at Arrival 29y
Ethnicity Great Britain, English
Port of Departure Southampton
Port of Arrival New York
Gender Male
Marital Status S
US Citizen
Ship of Travel Oceanic

I think I need help in finding marriage registrations in canada 1901-1920 say

thanks jonesey
you are spot on so far.have seen these censuses.The will only mentions the younger son.
have you access to any canadian records?
thanks sue

Thanks Lynne
Is it a transcript you have of the 1911 census. Could the Mannie really be Yvonne??
does it have a profession for john edwin or "mannie"
thanks sue

Susan,

As you probably know Canada has several provinces and each appears to have its own records. Basically all Ancestry has in depth are records relating to Ontario. I have looked at Ontario Marriages up to 1928 but I cannot spot a John Carey marriage to an Yvonne.

you can search the 1911 Canada census for free and view images here

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp

select Ontario ( but once you have results you can select 'all' )

and search for surname Carey

then filter for given name John ... oh, there are a lot ! ....... but not that one, the transcription must be a problem ...


start over, click on Ontario, then Hamilton West, then district 12 ward 4, then surname index for the subdistrict ... and we find Carty ... and it says John and Minnie

click on that and you get the listing

Carty John M Head M Aug 1880 30 1901
Carty Minnie F Wife M Aug 1879 31

and at the top click 'split view' and you get this

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=30180

it looks like Carey but it is definitely Minnie and is a driver for a wholesale grocers

he was born in England and emigrated in 1908


there is no result searching for Yvonne Carey ... the only way to get variations of the surname is to select all the possible soundex options since there is no 'fuzzy search'

there are 3 John Careys aged 32 in the 1911 census but I looked at them and they do not seem to fit


http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

this is where to search free for WWI attestations, most men would have had to enrol because of conscription if nothing else

the search results list shows birthdates

remember that this birth registration

Births Mar 1879
Carey John Edwin St. Giles 1b 629

could mean he was born in late 1878

no 2 on the list was born 29/12/1878 but he does not match (born Manchester mother Sarah)

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/ren1/004393a.gif


so no better luck ..........

I wonder whether he actually went to / stayed in Canada

in England/Wales there are these births for John E Carey from 1876 to 1880

Births Mar 1878
Carey John Edward Q Barnsley 9c 217

Births Mar 1879
Carey John Edwin St. Giles 1b 629


this would be the death of the first one

Name: John E Carey
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1954
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 206


then there is also this death which matches the birth date for the second birth

Name: John E Carey
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1952
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Eastbourne
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 253

and there is no other birth to match that death

there were no John E Carey births from 1870 to 1878

this birth matches a death in 1943

Births Dec 1882
Carey John Edward Pontypridd 11a 373

and this birth matches a death in 1951

Births Sep 1883
CAREY John Edwin Halifax 9a 413

and the other John E Carey born in 1883 died in infancy

interesting that there is also this death in the same place

Name: Minnie H Carey
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1953
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Eastbourne
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 371

... but there is no marriage in England/Wales of a Minnie H to a Carey ... and no birth of a Minnie H Carey ...

the birthdates in the Canada census are John Aug 1880 and Minnie Aug 1879 ... but it could still be worth having a look ...


oh and just about that passenger record ... Canada would have wanted farmers ... he may have given that as his intended occupation

ok lets recap
He was john Edwin carey birth reg 1q 179 st giles
I have birth date 1st jan 1879,I have baptism3rd august 1879 st Mary Aldermony.
His wife (?) was definately Yvonne, remembered by his still living niece who couldn't pronounce it properly.
As far as I know he stayed in canada but won't rule out that he could have returned to the uk much later.
Were there any marriages listed in Ontario for a john E cary -to anyone.Perhaps yvonne was her known name and not her registered name and therefore wouldn't have featured on a marriage cert.
John was known to the family as Bun - no idea why
thanks sue

I wonder if he was on the 1911 english census and I missed him . 1901 he was a drapers assistant
can anyone check again for me,thank you.
sue

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7921

Ontario marriages 1801-1928

you can do a free search but not see details

there is no marriage of an Yvonne to a Carey

( also no marriage of a John Carey to a Minnie )

there is one John E Carey marriage ... to Hannah Woodhull ... but it was sometime before 1860 ( I did not try to narrow the dates )

Yvonne could have been French-Canadian ... I once had a French friend named Jean-Yves, which could be pronounced John-Eve ... but my mum always said Johnny Yevs

someone could try a search of the Drouin Collection

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1091

there are many many John Carey marriages ... a John Ed Carey or two ... but I can't see any details ...


one would think that if he married it was before 1928

is there any memory of children ?

No memory of children and those who passed on the memories to me are now in their late 90's, early hundreds. I reckoned to she could have been french canadian- perhaps there is a separate dtabase covering franch marrieages. there might have been something about joining the canadian forces? but I can try and check that out again-it might be wishful thinking on my part

no there is no distinction between languages in vital records, they are by province ... the Drouin collection is a privately created collection for Roman Catholic records in various places ...

Chrissiex - not quite - the Drouin collection covers ALL denominations in Quebec, but only RC outside Quebec (e.g., Atlantic Canada, N Ontario, NE USA, etc).

Here's some examples from my tree (my dad's aunt & cousin):

Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
Name: Elizabeth Patterson
Event Year: 1916
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Presbyterian
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Presbyterian Calvin)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about George Norise Rennie Massie
Name: George Norise Rennie Massie
Spouse: Susannah Minchinton
Event Year: 1921
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Anglican
Place of Worship or Institution: Péninsula (Anglican Church)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about Charles George Mossie
Name: Charles George Mossie
Event Year: 1922
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Cap-aux-Os (Methodist Church)
Province: Québec (Quebec)


Here's my transcription of the first entry:

Elizabeth Patterson wife of Joseph Massie
died at her late residence 57 Brewster St
Montreal on the twenty-third day of
December in the year of our Lord one
thousand nine hundred and sixteen and
was buried in Mount Royal Cemetery
on the twenty-sixth day of the same
month and year in the presence of
the undersigned witnesses.

W.D.Turner
Minister
Joseph Massie
George Massie


I didn't realize that Scottish churches in Quebec would bury wives under their Maiden Surname.
I'm going to have to search again for some rellies when we next get free access (Oct 12th upcoming).

oops, I saw that it was RC events in Ontario for instance and forgot about old English military marriages and the like in Quebec that are found there ...

now we just need somebody who has access to it at ancestry to take a look :-)