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Christine Anne

Christine Anne Report 1 Nov 2011 14:33

Mary Ann Burlington 1881 census age 6 in Devon work house,1901 gave birth to Wilfred,1911 census now called Beatrice Kerr married to Robert(engine fitter in Devonport)she had 4more childrenGladys,Harry,Roland,and my father Reginald. Robert Kerr (from Eastend docks London)moved family frm Devon to Inverness,Scotland then back down to Portsmouth where he died in 1936 age 66.Apart from above mentioned censuses cannot find any trace of Mary Ann/Beatrice work house records say was born 1875(but no cert found)Also no record of any marriage or death.??

Penny

Penny Report 1 Nov 2011 14:35

Are you saying Mary Ann morphed into Beatrice?

Penny

Penny Report 1 Nov 2011 14:38

the only wilfred Kerr I can see born 1911 doesn't add up

Births Sep 1911
Kerr Wilfred Houldershaw Newcastle T. 10b 18

Perchino

Perchino Report 1 Nov 2011 14:38

For information 1881 Census:

Name Mary Burlington
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Pauper
Occupation Scholar
Address Newton Abbot
District Newton Abbot, Newton Abbot
Parish Wolborough With Newton Abbot
Administrative County Devonshire
Birth Place Wolborough
Birth County Devon

Penny

Penny Report 1 Nov 2011 14:41

your fathers birth cert will be what you need. was he born 1910 devonport?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Nov 2011 14:52

Well, nearly! Why do you think this is the same person as Mary Ann Burlington?

KERR, Robert Head Married M 40 1871 Engine Fitter Bow London E VIEW
KERR, Beatrice Wife F 35 1876 Bridgewater Somerset VIEW
KERR, Wilfried Son M 9 1902 VIEW
KERR, Gladys Daughter F 6 1905 VIEW
KERR, Harry Son M 5 1906 VIEW
KERR, Roland Son M 3 1908 VIEW
KERR, Reginald Son M 3 1908 VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
13591 Reference:
RG14PN13591 RG78PN800 RD291 SD1 ED9 SN472

Registration District:
St Germans Sub District:
Antony Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Torpoint

Address:
6 Lyttelton Torpoint Cornwall County:
Cornwall

Perchino

Perchino Report 1 Nov 2011 15:08

Robert birth record?

Name Robert Kerr
Year of Registration 1870
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Poplar
Registration County London
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 1C
Volume Page 607

But 1936 Portsmouth death is for a Robert D Kerr.

Potty

Potty Report 1 Nov 2011 15:17

Possible for Robert in 1891 - occupation same as in 1911; all born Bromley, except Robert Snr - born Scotland:

1891 England Census
about Robert Kerr
Name: Robert Kerr
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Kerr
Mother's Name: Catherine Kerr
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromley, London, England

Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows (Bow Common)
Town: Bromley
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 322
Folio: 79
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Kerr 48
Catherine Kerr 46
Robert Kerr 21
Henry Kerr 14
Elie M Kerr 8
David Kerr 6
Jane Kerr 4


Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 1 Nov 2011 18:50

Why do you think Beatrice and Mary Ann are the same person?
What is shown as her maiden name on your father's birth certificate?

Gwyn

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 1 Nov 2011 19:25

Wilfred's birth?

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
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BURLINGTON Wilfred S E. Stonehouse 5b 266
BURLINGTON Wilfred S Burlington E. Stonehouse 5b 266

Mary

Mary Report 1 Nov 2011 20:03

On same 1881 census Jane Burlington @ 1849 unmarried born Frome Somerset.
Florence Burlington born @ 1873 Bridgewater Somerset.(Same as Beatrice on 1911 census).
Roland 1877
Francis henry 1879 born Newton Abbott Devon

Rowland Burrington died age 10 1887 Newton Abbott.

Mary Burlington born @ 1876 died Newton Abbott 1955

Maryb

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Nov 2011 09:08

I'm not sure what you are saying Mary?
Jan

Penny

Penny Report 2 Nov 2011 09:14

we still dont know why Mary Ann supposedly morphed into Beatrice!

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Nov 2011 09:35

Penny, I am confused totally by this! We need feedback don't we.
Jan

Mary

Mary Report 2 Nov 2011 10:14

I'm just wondering if all the Burlington/Burrington in 1881 workhouse are related.
Especially as Beatrice and Robert had son Roland which seems to be a bit uncommon.

Ive tried to follow them to see the reason for Mary Ann/beatrice's name change.

Sorry to confuse anybody but like it has been said,feedback from the poster would help.

Maryb.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Nov 2011 11:44

Still not clear why there is thought to be a name change at all- unless I am missing something, quite possible.
Jan

jansmith

jansmith Report 2 Nov 2011 13:45

I did send Christine a message to look at her thread but it hasn't been opened yet

Mary

Mary Report 2 Nov 2011 13:46

Christine Anne has the other members of the Burlington family in the workhouse in her tree.

If she would only come back and tell us exactly what info she has.

No marriage of a Robert D Kerr as yet,only his death in 1936,their son Roland 1908 was Roland David Kerr.

Maryb.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 2 Nov 2011 14:35

Births Mar 1905 Kerr Gladys Catherine Devonport 5b 281
Births Sep 1906 Kerr Robert Henry Devonport 5b 290
Births Mar 1908 Kerr Roland David Devonport 5b 278
Births Dec 1910 KERR Reginald Devonport 5b 283


Where is the birthplace of the Wilfried on the 1911 census please?

Mary

Mary Report 2 Nov 2011 14:39

Wilfred was born in the Durham area.

On the 1911 record the place of birth for children isn't filled in.

It states they had 6 children one died, married 9 and a half years

Maryb.

EDIT Wilfred Sydney Burlington born east stonehouse Devon 1901 died Islington 1964