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G'day all from Australia

I'm trying to find more information about my mothers parents, I found the marriage certificate:-

Richard Henry Robinson aged 23
Mary West aged 21

Both living at of 15 Debnams road.

Married 24th December 1911, St Kathrines, Rotherhithe. United Kindom

The parents are Thomas Charles Robinson ( labourer deceased)
Thomas Philip John West (labourer deceased).

I've asked my mum and she thinks that Thomas Philip john west possibly had a wife called Caroline, and that Marys birthday was 1st May and she had a brother called Tom who married an Alice, and also a sister called Caroline (possibly after her mother), who married a harry summers.

I can't find anything about the parents? what am I doing wrong?

Any help gratefully received.

thanks
John

For reference

Caroline Martha West
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Spouse Name: Henry Summers
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Mar 1910
Parish: Peckham St Luke
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Philip John West
Spouse Father Name: Charles Edward Summers
Register Type: Parish Register


regards vera

1891

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WEST, Thomas Head Married M 22 1869 Waterside Labourer
Bermondsey
London VIEW
WEST, Caroline Martha Wife Married F 23 1868
Highgate
Middlesex VIEW
WEST, Caroline Daughter F 5 1886
Bermondsey
London VIEW
WEST, Thomas P John Son M 3 1888
Rotherhithe
London VIEW
WEST, Emma Daughter F 2 1889
Rotherhithe
London VIEW

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Piece:
384 Folio:
98 Page:
13 Registration District:
St Olave Southwark

Civil Parish:
Rotherhithe Municipal Borough:
Address:
50, West Lane, Rotherhithe County:
London

regards vera

1901


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WEST, Philip J Head Married M 32 1869 General Laborer
Bermondsey
London VIEW
WEST, Caroline Wife Married F 33 1868
Bermondsey
London VIEW
WEST, Thomas P Son Single M 12 1889
Bermondsey
London VIEW
WEST, Mary A Daughter Single F 8 1893
Bermondsey
London VIEW

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Piece:
392 Folio:
125 Page:
38 Registration District:
St Olave Southwark

Civil Parish:
Bermondsey Municipal Borough:
Address:
12, Llama Place, Bermondsey

REGARDS VERA

Oh thank you Vera, thats pure gold..

that opens up the trail, I think the Robinsons will be harder to crack.

thanks again

John

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: WEST, Philip John
Address: 3 Donne Place Rotherhithe

WEST, Philip John Head Married M 44 1867 Dock Labourer Bermondsey VIEW
WEST, Caroline Martha Wife Married
26 years F 45 1866 Highgate VIEW
WEST, Thomas Philip Son Single M 22 1889 Carman Rotherhithe Surrey VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1914 Reference:
RG14PN1914 RG78PN68 RD24 SD3 ED1 SN141

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Rotherhithe Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
3 Donne Place Rotherhithe County:
London
(4 children born, 3 living, 1 had died)

Edit: Hmmm!! I can't see a death for a Thomas or Philip West in 1911!

Good one PH...been looking couldn't see for looking.

John,
You are so right about the Robinsons.
regards vera

???

1911 census - household transcription
Person: SUMMERS, Caroline
Address: 56 Tilson Road Peckham S E

SUMMERS, Henry Head Married M 28 1883 Dock Labourer Surrey New X VIEW
SUMMERS, Caroline Wife Married F 25 1886 Bottle Washer Surrey New X VIEW
SUMMERS, Caroline Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Peckham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2526 Reference:
RG14PN2526 RG78PN85 RD27 SD4 ED7 SN108

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
56 Tilson Road Peckham S E County:
London

??

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WEST, Mary
Address: 66 Watergate St Deptford


WHITEWOOD, William Head Married M 32 1879 Carman To Contractor Kent Deptford VIEW
WHITEWOOD, Alice Wife Married
9 years F 29 1882 Middlesex Bethnal Green VIEW
WHITEWOOD, William Son M 8 1903 Surrey Bermondsey VIEW
WHITEWOOD, Henry Son M 5 1906 Kent Deptford VIEW
WHITEWOOD, Alice Margaret Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Kent Deptford VIEW
BRADY, Caroline Visitor Single F 19 1892 Tin Box Maker Surrey Bermondsey VIEW
WEST, Mary Visitor Single F 19 1892 Tin Box Maker Surrey Bermondsey VIEW
LINCOLN, Alfred Boarder Single M 34 1877 Carman To Contractor Surrey Camberwell VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2639 Reference:
RG14PN2639 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED16 SN41

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Deptford East Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
St Nicholas Deptford

Address:
66 Watergate St Deptford County:
London

PH,
You have the right Mary West in 1911 as one of the witness' of her marriage to Richard was a Caroline Brady.

regards vera

Thanks Vera.........thats good then!! :-)

Thank you so much, its midnight here in Oz and I'm now wide awake, and spotting caroline brady was such a find too!!

Richard Henry Robinson is a bit of a mystery, Do you think he may have got his fathers name wrong on the marriage certificate, is that likely?

From my mums recollection he was in the first world war, looked after horses (groom), with a dark Kahki uniform, and his brother had two kids call Dorothy and Stanley Robinson.




I want to wake the wife up and show her whats been found, But I don't think I'm that brave :-)
Thank you

Hi John,
Unfortunately you cannot always believe what is stated on marriage certificates.

Not having much luck with your R. H. Robinson. Do you know his brothers name please?

Regards Vera

Sorry dont know his brothers name, but My mum thinks he married a lady called "Florence" and they had two kids called Stanly and Dorothy Robinson.

Dates unknown.

What I do know :-

R. H. Robinson had children Beatrice sept 1912, Caroline 1913, Mary 1917, Gladys 1929, and also like his brother a Dorothy 1925, & Stanley 1927.

No kids during the WWI, we think he was in the cavalry!, or at least horse related.

Stanley and Dorothy are named in both lines, so they may be grand parents names?.

I've been told previously that the "burnt records" may help, but at that time "R" had not been microfilmed.

I hope to get some paperwork on a previous attempt at finding him in the next day or so, as soon as I get it I'll post any info.

Thanks again

John, what area would brother & Florence's children be born? - the records will show Florence's maiden name. We can then try to trace a marriage to get brother's first name.

Hi

I've been in contact with my mums sister Dorothy (I call her Aunty Doll and she was born in 1925) and here's what she has:-


Richard Robinsons brother was called Tomas & his wife called Florence and she stayed for a short while with them during the war in Southall London, as it was supposed to be safer - she was bombed a few times and decided it was safer at home!!

Thomas\Florences daughter Dorothy was a few years older than Aunt Doll so Tom & Florences Dorothy was born ~1921 ish.

Does this help?

Hi John, that's useful but there are huge numbers of births.

To narrow it down can you at least confirm what part of the country - were they all from the London area?

Hi John,
You stated "they would be safer at home". Where was home please?

Regards Vera

Do you know when Richard Henry Robinson died?
What was his occupation on the marriage certificate?
Thanks

Hi,
Richard Henry's occupation on his marriage certificate was Carman.

Regards Vera