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Ellen and Eizabeth Iredale

Maryb

Many thanks everyone, I have an Ellen with father John Iredale who married twice. First wife Elizabeth Shaw1824-1853, married in 1847 with 2 daughters, including Ellen1851. Second wife is Ann Kaye1834, married in 1854 with 3 boys and 4 girls. With your other findings folks, I'm wondering if I have the right family! I will have to go through everything again. As with the Haigh's, it certainly is a minefield!
With the weekend coming up I may not check this column and the 'tree' until next week.

Many thanks again to you all.

Terence.

Hi Terence
Where does Ben / Benjamin “fit” into your tree ?

In the 1911 census --this seems to be the family we have in the 1881
census—do any of the names “Ring a bell” (I mean who Benjamin and
Elizabeth married) ? Do you think we are following the correct family ????

ELIZABETH marriage ??
Marriages Dec 1902
Cartwright Mark Huddersfield 9a 694
Haigh Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 694


1911 England Census
1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Cartwright
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Lindley Cum Quarmby
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Yew Tree Rd Lindley Huddersfield

Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration District Number: 495
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 26345
Household Members: Name Age
Mark Cartwright 36 ---Clay Miner---born Penistone, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Cartwright 34 --Huddersfield
Denys Cartwright 4 --Huddersfield
Maurice Cartwright 1 --Huddersfield

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 26345.

on image --married 8 years---3 children born sadly 1 had died before 1911 census
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Benjamin

1911 England Census 1911 England Census
Name: Benjamin Haigh
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Lindley Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Lindley Cum Quarmby
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Victoria St Lindley Huddersfield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Fish Salesmons Clerk
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration District Number: 495
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 26340
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Haigh 30 --
Janey Isabel Haigh 31 –born in Idle, Yorkshire
Nellie Haigh 5 --- Huddersfield
Arnold Haigh 3 --- Huddersfield

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 26340.
On image it says married 5 years 2 children born and still living in 1911

Marriage ??

Marriages Sep 1905
Chatburn Janey Isabella N. Bierley 9b 370
HAIGH Benjamin N. Bierley 9b 370
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And then Ellen with unmarried son Arthur in 1911 census (Living in same street as Benjamin !!)

1911 England Census
1911 England Census
Name: Ellen Haigh
Age in 1911: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Elland, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Lindley Cum Quarmby
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Victoria Street Lindley Huddersfield
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration District Number: 495
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 26340
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Haigh 60 ---Elland
Arthur Haigh 32 -- Warehouseman -- Huddersfield

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 26340.



Barbara x

Marriage of the above Benjamin !! ??

Name: Benjamin Haigh
(address--65 Wellington street, Lindley )
Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 24
occ-Clerk
Marriage or Bann Date: 8 Jul 1905
Parish: Calverley, St Wilfred
Father's Name: John Haigh --MASON --dec
Spouse's Name: Janey Isabella Chatburn
age 25
address--7 Croft Street, Idle
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Chatburn --Mason --dec
Witt.--Fred Robinson and Norah Chatburn

Terence- regarding 'your' Ellen being the daughter of John Iredale, on the 1861 census showing this detail, it quite clearly states that his Ellen Iredale was born in Longwood not Elland. I have already printed two births of Ellen Iredale one in Halifax, which is yours and the one in Huddersfield which is the daughter of John Iredale. -jl

Hi Folks,
Yes Barbara we are following the correct family, at least from the marriage of an Ellen Iredale to a John Haigh. As mentioned before we do have the birth certificate for Benjamin Haigh showing 10/10/1880 with parents John Haigh and Ellen Iredale.

Personal family notes confirm that he was a fish salesman's clerk and married Janey Isabella Chatburn. Their children are: Nellie b21/11/1905, married Frank Wood then Albert Roberts. Arnold b22/7/1907, married Doris Richardson. Annie b11/7/1916, (my partners mother) married Edwin Brook, then William Cooper.

We had not researched Elizabeth Haigh1877 yet, so thanks for her possible marriage information. And we found Arthur1879, single with Ellen Haigh, widow, in the 1911 census.

Now back to Ellen. We may have to admit that we were mistaken regarding Ellen's birth area and parents. We have orderd the marriage cerificate, being informed that the despatch date from GRO would be the 9th Dec. As mentioned this will show their respective fathers. Hopefully, with Christmas mail, it should arrive here in South Australia within the next two weeks!?
Again, many, many thanks for all your information folks. Without you "helpers" many of us would be recording the wrong information.

Terence.

Hi Terence.
What occupation does John have on Benjamins birth cert ?

Barbara x

It seems the witness' for Benjamin and Janey went on to marry each other (Norah being Janeys sister)

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1922
Idle, Holy Trinity
about Fred Robinson

Name: Fred Robinson
Birth Year: abt 1876
Age: 33
occ Warper
address Eccleshill
(no father shown on Parish record)
Marriage Date: 26 Jul 1909
Parish: Idle, Holy Trinity
Spouse's Name: Norah Chatburn
age 32
address Idle
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Chatburn --Mason
witnesses Benjamin Haigh and Ada Goodwin

neither Fred or Norah had been married before
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Possible birth for 1 child

Births Jun 1912

Robinson Arthur ----mmn Chatburn --- N.Bierley 9b 103


Barbara x

HI Barbara,
Benjamin Haigh's father John's occupation on the birth certificate is stated: "Cloth Finisher".
The 1881 census states: "Finisher (W)".
(We have a pile of paperwork for John;s father, also John b1817, mason's labourer. Which is in question until we get his son's marriage certificate).
Thank you for Nora's late marriage to Fred Robinson, with possible son Arthur, which we had not researched yet.

Thank you so much again.

Terence.

Hi Terence

Something isn't quite "adding up" and its worrying me !!!

If you do have the right birth cert. for your Benjamin then it says father John ---Cloth Finisher

If we have the correct 1881 census for Benjamin --John ect --then again John is a Finisher (W)

This is what is worrying me--
If you know for sure that Benjamin married Janey Isabella Chatburn then he states his father is John Haigh --MASON --dec

So I am wondering why he says his father was a Mason if he was a Cloth Finisher ? Do you think he made a mistake ?


Barbara x

This is the link to the marriage record in case you haven't seen it (Benjamins)



http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=2253&iid=32355_249463-01339&fn=Benjamin&ln=Haigh&st=r&ssrc=&pid=7660461

Is this 1901 census just a coincidence or could they be related to Benjamin--

they are living at 65, Wellington street, Lindley (the same address Benjamin used on his marriage to Janey)

1901 England Census
Name: George Haigh
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Haigh
Gender: Male
Where born: Slaithwaite, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Lindley
Ecclesiastical parish: Lindley St Stephen
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 65 Wellington street, Lindley <<<<<<<<<


Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Lockwood

Household Members: Name Age

George Haigh 57 ---head--cloth cutter ? --Slaithwaite, Yorkshire
Harriet Haigh 47 --Bath, Somerset
Elizabeth Haigh 25 ---daughter--
Ernest Haigh 19 --Rochdale, Lancashire-
Harry Haigh 18 ---Rochdale, Lancashire
John Haigh 16 -Rochdale, Lancashire--
Harold Haigh 11 ---Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Amy Haigh 9 ---Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Edward Haigh 3 ---Huddersfield, Yorkshire


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4110; Folio: 124; Page: 32.

(Georges age differs in each census so he could have been born between 1843 and 1848)

Barbara x

We have searched our paperwork and we do not have a marriage certificate for Benjamin and Janey, but from somewhere we have the marriage date of 8/7/1905.
It is possible Benjamin made a mistake stating his father was a 'Mason' instead of a 'cloth finisher'.
I was wondering whether he had more to do with his grandfather (if it's the right one as John Haigh1817, "mason's labourer") and respected him, rather than his own father?
It is interesting with 65 Wellington St! Was it a large house and owned by the family, or rented? Did George's large family move in when Ellen was widowed, possibly in 1891, and she moved to 48 East St, Lindley? Are these streets close by?
It's frustrating being here in Oz and not being able to search personally!
That's all I think we can add for now.

Terence.

Hi Terence

With the way the family moved about I would think the houses would be rented --I phoned an estate agent in Lindley and asked if the streets were near each other. She was quite helpful, bless her, (she said she wasn't local to Lindley) she wasn't sure where Yew tree Road was (Where Elizabeth was in 1911 census) and Wellington, Victoria, and East Street ---although not next door to each other, she thought were within walking distance.

I googled the streets and came up with this map---you can move it about and see the streets, hope it helps a little.

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/map/property/huddersfield/lindley/



Benjamins marriage to Janey---I posted the details of it and a link to the image of it on the 9th (just a few postings up this page) If you click on the link to it you should be able to save it and then print it off. (if you have trouble with the link just let me know and i'll try and download it and send it to you as an attachment) Its just like having the cert that you send for.


Barbara x

All Wellington Street in the 1911 period were terrace houses. Many of them are back to back. There was a small farm where cattle were kept as late as the 1950's just across the road from this address.

Victoria Street, as well as Wellington Street, is adjacent to Huddersfield Royal Infirmary. East Street is a couple of hundred yards beyond St Stephens church in the same vicinity as the hospital. Yew Tree Road is about half a mile towards Halifax from Lindley, the area is called Birchencliffe nowadays .-jl

Just remembered something else about these houses at Wellington Street , as a child I remember they were referred to as Foresters. I think the Foresters were like a friendly society.

Thank you so much Janet, Your a star, do you think i have the right map for Terence then ? :-)

It can be so confusing when you don't know an area,

Barbara x

Thanks Barbara

Yes it is the correct map but someone has just place Huddersfield's biggest Shopping Centre next to Wellington Street and King Street Lindley . Whilst the Kingsgate Centre is in King Street Huddersfield HD1 this King Street is HD3. At least I hope the Emergency Services don't use the map for locating a casualty........

Apart from that it shows clearly Wellington Street,the hospital, the church and if they just move the map a little to the north it will show Birchencliffe, so it is spot on and should be a great help to Terence-jle.

Again many thanks Barbara and Janet.
We have printed the relevant parts of the map. It is nice to have a reference when addresses are mentioned in the census'.

Re Benjamin and Janey's marriage details, I clicked onto the link, but not being a member of Ancestry, I could not get any extra information. So if you would Barbara, we would appreciate your offer of more information.

Bye for now. Terence.

Hi Terence

Sent it as attachment by PM to you. please let me know if you can open it OK
as its the first i have sent through GR so hope ive done it right !! :-)

there are 2 marriage certs on the page---what i do is print all the page out and then cut out the one i need, i then scan it and make it bigger.

Barbara x

Thanks Barbara,
Have managed to get and print Benjamin's marriage certificate, eventually. As you have said before, it shows Benjamin's father as a "Mason"?!? I am assuming that there is no other John Haigh (Cloth finisher/dresser) married to an Ellen Iredale? We will have to see what is on the marriage certificate for them. It may arrive next week!
With the weekend coming again, I may not get on-line until early next week.

Again thank you very much Barbara.

Terence.