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Steven
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14 Dec 2011 23:11 |
Can anyone please help me find anything on George Gepp born about 1801. I have details from the 1841 census living at 74 Eaton Place Mews, St. George, Hanover Sq, but would love something on his date and place of birth Thanks in anticipation Steve Gepp
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WayneTracey
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14 Dec 2011 23:17 |
Who was he married to?
Tracey x
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MargaretM
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14 Dec 2011 23:18 |
According to the 1841 census he was NOT born in the county of Middlesex nor were his wife and children.
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MargaretM
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14 Dec 2011 23:20 |
Married to Elizabeh b. 1801, children Elizabeth 1826, Sarah 1827, Hannah 1830 and Jane 1832.
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Flick
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14 Dec 2011 23:21 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1287667
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WayneTracey
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14 Dec 2011 23:29 |
Interesting find Flick, altho not too many answers were found before.
Steven, you could have simply refreshed your original post and added 'still looking' to your title.
It's against the sites T&C's to duplicate a request, and it'll get peoples backs up if they redo work already done.
You'd be better off deleting this one and adding the amendment to your original post of Dec 10th and nudging it up the boards.
regards
Tracey x
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MargaretM
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14 Dec 2011 23:39 |
Thanks, Flick, I just re-did work that was already done. Fortunately it wasn't much.
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Steven
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18 Dec 2011 05:25 |
Thanks so much everyone Sorry Wayne - I don't know how I managed to make two posts, except to say that the memory cells aren't as good as they once were! How do I add an amendment to the first post and nudge it up? Meantime I will work on what you have all given me - I have found it very difficult to find anything on the Gepp's later than my gg Grandfather b1845. So once again thanks Steve :-)
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Flick
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18 Dec 2011 08:54 |
Looking at the census records in general, the surname GEPP seems to be mainly an Essex name............
When you say 'later' than 1845.................do you actually mean 'earlier'? Just to avoid confusion.....................
What was the first name and birthplace of the man born c1845?
Are you 100% certain that the George you seek is your line? If he died, as you think, in 1844, he can't appear on a census with your great-grandfather
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Flick
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18 Dec 2011 09:09 |
Name: George Bayley Gepp Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Oct 1824 Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND Birth Date: 19 Oct 1823 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: George Gepp Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 580912 _____________________________________________________
Name: Elizabeth Bailey Gepp Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Aug 1825 Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND Birth Date: 19 Feb 1825 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: George Gepp Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 580912 Reference Number: _______________________________________________________
Name: Sarah Gepp Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 22 Jul 1827 Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND Birth Date: 02 Jul 1827 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: George Gepp Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Sarah Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 580912 Reference Number: .
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Steven
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19 Dec 2011 09:55 |
Hi Flick - thanks for all your work Sorry for the confusion - I did, of course, mean earlier than 1845 (message typed early hours of the morning!) I have a copy of the birth certificate of George Gepp b30/01/1845, his mother Elizabeth, but no father (duh!). Registered in St. George, Hanover Square, Mayfair. (cert ref: BXCD 642004/120) I am 99.9% certain that he is my GG Grandfather. Sorry will get back to you later - my living relatives require my attention right now! Steve
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Flick
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19 Dec 2011 10:06 |
Sorry, but if his mother's name was GEPP, the chances of his father having the same surname must be miniscule
Name: George Gepp Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845 Registration district: St George Hanover Square Inferred County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1 Page: 42
Also, if you think that the man who died in 1844 fathered an illegitimate child virtually on his deathbed, I think you are being somewhat unrealistic
Who is George (1845) living with on census returns?
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Flick
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19 Dec 2011 10:12 |
Have you researched the line from yourself back to 1845 with documents to prove every link?
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Dec 2011 10:22 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about George Bayley Gepp Name: George Bayley Gepp Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 19 October 1823 ************* Baptism Date: 4 Oct 1824 Father's Name: George Gepp Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gepp Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone Borough: Westminster Register Type: Parish Registers Address just Marylebone and father George is a Servant.
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Steven
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19 Dec 2011 12:57 |
Yeah Ok Flick - re; George b1845 from his birth cert. - obviously we don't know the name of the father, but I assume he has taken his mother's name. Obviously the George who died 1844 was Elizabeth Gepp's father. I have George b1845's marriage cert. 25/12/1868 to Elizabeth Bouffler, both resident in Queen Street, Clerkenwell. His father IS mentioned - George Gepp, Coachman. Maybe that was bending the truth?! I had doubts that I had the right birth cert. for him, but I could not find anybody else that fitted. I have researched my Grandfather and Great grandfather before researching George b1845, quite thoroughly and have documentation. I will go through it all again in the near future and get back to you and all others who have contributed to the thread Thanks to you all and Merry Christmas Steve :-)
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Flick
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19 Dec 2011 13:20 |
Right.....I think I now know what you are trying to say................it wasn't by any means clear from your earlier posts
George born 1845 was iillegitimate.......and you think that his mother was the daughter of the man on the 1841 census.......and is the maternal line
Was the mother named ONLY as Elizabeth?
And....to repeat my earlier question.......do you have him on census records?
As you say, his naming of a father when he married is almost certainly a fabrication......to save 'face'
Another point you must take into account is that, until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births.............so the 1845 cert may not be connected..........and the man who married in 1876 may not have had his birth registered
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Flick
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19 Dec 2011 13:29 |
Name: Elizabeth Bouffler Spouse Name: George Gepp **********Occupation: SMITH Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1868 Parish: Myddelton Square St Mark Borough: Islington Father Name: Thomas Bouffler Spouse Father Name: George Gepp Register Type: Parish Register
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Steven
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22 Dec 2011 01:53 |
On the birth cert. of George b1845 the mother is shown as Elizabeth Gepp. In the spaces for the father's name and occupation are just entered ditto marks. Birth date is 30/01/1845 at Mount Street, North...., in the registration district of St. George, Hanover Sq, sub-district of Mayfair. He does not appear in the 1851 or 1861 census, but is in the 1871 census in 12 Queen St. Clerkenwell, with his wife Elizabeth Bouffler and family - it confirms he was born in St George's (ref RG10/380). He appears in the 1881 census in Clerkenwell and in the 1891 census in Finchley, Barnet The censi put his birth year as 1844, but the cert. I have quotes Jan 1845 so that could be right.
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Flick
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22 Dec 2011 09:49 |
Censuses record approx birth years based on declared age
IF the age he gave was accurate, his birth could not have been as late as 1845
Did you take on board the info about births before 1875?
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Steven
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26 Dec 2011 16:02 |
Yes, of course, Flick - I have taken on board and understood all that you have informed me of. I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that people on here have access to records that the layman does not not have access to. So I was hoping that someone here might be able to help me, since I seem to have hit a "brick wall" with the Gepp's. As I said, I am 99.9% certain of my gg grandfather b1845 but from his mother and her parentage it all starts to go a bit vague. Steve :-)
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