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trying to find out anything about my gran,eliza williams.That was her maiden name She was born in 1882.Dont know where,but she married John Fisher,who was killed in WW1 in 1917.She was an asylum nurse in Lancaster and she had a daughter Kathleen who was born in 1916. I think she had a sister called Sally,who lived in Preston.She used to take me to a grave in Halton road Cemetary with the name Ellen Stackhouse on it. I have found out,that Ellen`smaiden name was Williams and i wondered if she was a sister? I hope someone out there can help me? You have been a great help,on my other side of my family.Thanks

Her marriage?

Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
Carter William Hartshorne Lancaster 8e 1367 Scan available - click to view
Fisher John T Williams Lancaster 8e 1367 Scan available - click to view
Wearing William A Metcalfe Lancaster 8e 1367 Scan available - click to view
Williams Eliza A Fisher Lancaster 8e 1367

Two possible deaths:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Ellen Stackhouse
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Nelson
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 310

Name: Ellen Stackhouse
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1949
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Nelson
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 729

This could relate to the 1949 death:

Burial: 23 Mar 1949 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Ellen Stackhouse -
Age: 72yrs
Abode: 443 Rossendale Road
Grave: A4566
Register: Burials 1948 - 1958, Page 18, Entry 122024
Source: Original Registers Book 16

(There isn't a corresponding entry for the 1945 death)

I'm not seeing a marriage between an Ellen Williams and a Stackhouse.

Where did you get the information that the late Ellen Stackhouse was a Williams by birth?

Found this on Lancs BMD

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1945
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
STACKHOUSE Ellen 71 Padiham Preston PA/5/64

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1949
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
STACKHOUSE Ellen 72 Padiham Preston PA/7/52

Not sure how it would help ....

Is this her husbands death?

Name: FISHER, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment)
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 16/06/1917
Service No: 33549
Additional information: Son of George and Alice Fisher, of 13, Lune Rd., Lancaster; husband of Eliza Ann Fisher, of 17, Pinfold Lane, Skerton, Lancaster.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 2.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

Do you have Eliza and John's marriage cert?
That would give you her father's name and occupation which would help find her in the census records. It would also give you the names of witnesses which may also help.

Just for info:-
1911

144 FISHER, Ellen Head Widow F 81 1830 None Employment Lanc Bay Horse VIEW
144 FISHER, Edith Granddaughter Spinster F 23 1888 Drapers Assistant Lanc Lancaster VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25535 Reference:
RG14PN25535 RG78PN1461 RD479 SD3 ED11 SN144

Registration District:
Lancaster Sub District:
Lancaster Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Lancaster

Address:
13 Lune Road Lancaster County:
Lancashire

If your Gran was born in 1882, then she would have been 33yrs old when she married John Fisher.
Is it possible that she was married before and that Williams was her married name and Stackhouse was her maiden name?


Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Chaplain Mercy K Dudley 6c 120
Nokes Harold T Dudley 6c 120
xxxx Stackhouse Ann E Dudley 6c 120
xxxx Williams Arthur Dudley 6c 120

The district Dudley is an alternative name for Dudley and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Staffordshire and Worcestershire
????

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
STACKHOUSE Ann Eliza Dudley 6c 31
(wouldn't be the first time someone used their middle name as their first name )

1891 England Census about Ann E Stackhouse
Name: Ann E Stackhouse
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William H Stackhouse
Mother's name: Sarah A Stackhouse
Gender: Female
Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Tipton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2284
Folio: 134
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Stackhouse 38
Sarah A Stackhouse 30
William H Stackhouse 11
Ann E Stackhouse 10
Florence J Stackhouse 8
Annie S Stackhouse 6 - born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Harriet Stackhouse 2
Charles H Stackhouse 6/12


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Anne Salome Stackhouse
Name: Anne Salome Stackhouse
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1884
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 50

(could Salome be Sally?)

Hi. yes that was my grandad`s information.Ellen Stackhouse was married before to a William Thompson in 1895. She then remarried in 1912 to John Crook Stackhouse.I know my gran married John Thomas Fisher in 1916,just before he went to war.It was definately Ellen Stackhouses grave in Skerton Cemetary that she used to visit and had an arrangement with the gardener there,to make sure it was kept tidy.Funny how little things stick in your mind.We used to visit a man who lived on Main Street Skerton Lancaster,who i always understood to be a relative of hers. Sorry that i cant provide you with any more info,but thanks for your help up to now. I dont think she was ever married before.

the lancs bmd version of Eliza Williams marriage in 1916 is this one

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FISHER John Thomas WILLIAMS Elizabeth Annie Lancaster, Skerton, St Luke Preston CE22/3/163

Kathleen born 1917 or born late 1916 and registered in march qtr 1917

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1917
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FISHER Kathleen Lancaster Preston WILLIAMS LAN/127/1

thanks Lancashire ann. My mum Kathleen was born 29th.November 1916,so that ties in ok.My gran must have been born in Preston area,as we used to visit my Aunt Sally in Preston. She had a daughter,Winifred ,who was known to me as Wadeson,She had a daughter Sylvia who was born in a home for unmarried mothers in Lancaster. Her husband`s name was Harold.I always thought that Sally was my gran`s sister. Thanks for all your help.

presumably this is Sylvia so Winifred was born as Winifred Wadeson

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1936
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WADESON Sylvia Lancaster Preston WADESON LAN/153/88

not sure who you are saying was the wife of Harold

got it (I think)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WADESON Winifred Lancaster Preston WILLIAMS LAN/115/13

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WADESON Arthur WILLIAMS Sarah Ann Lancaster, St Mary Preston CE12/11/277

Sally was a name often used by people named Sarah

given the names these look like Sally's family but I have not yet found a birth that looks right for Eliza Ann (or Elizabeth Annie)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1873
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Ellen Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/44/94

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Sarah Ann Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/66/21

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Winifred Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/69/33

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS George Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/71/32

I think you really do need that marriage certificate of Eliza to John Fisher

I always thought that Winifred`s husband was called Harold,but seemingly he was called Arthur. I have got the relations of my grandad John Thomas Fisher,but know nothing of my gran`s parents. I know they were married in 1916,but before that nothing except that she worked at the County Mental Hospital,as it was known then,She didnt get married till late and she was a widow for over 40 yrs. You have been very helpful.Thanks

Have found my gran Eliza J Williams on the 1901 census. She appeared with Sarah A Williams,Eliza J Williams her motherAged 48,who was born in Chester,George Williams Aged 12,born in Lancaster,John Williams aged 23,Robert Williams ,her father and Sarah A Williams,daughter aged 15. She has taken some finding













ave found my gran on the 1901 census. She was Eliza J williams aged 18.Born in Northampton.She appeared with Sa :-\

I assume you meant your gran Eliza A on the 1901 not Eliza J

so using the births above this is probably your gt grandparents

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILLIAMS Robert CRAWFORD Eliza Jane Lancaster Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston LANC/7/178

so possibly your gran (another variation on her name?)

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Williams Eliza Anna Northampton 3b 84

Can you help me with the name of my grandmother`s parents.She was Eliza Williams and was born 1880=2.She married John Thomas Fisher in 1916,but he died in first world war when my mum was 6mnths old. Getting confusing information as to where she was born.She was married in Lancaster,but apart from that information I know nothing about her family.Can you help please?