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I am looking for Mary Mills fro Montgomeryshire, in the 1880s. She had two daughters, Sarah Ann b 1884 and Martha b1885, both born on Black Hill, near Newtown, Montgomery. There is no father's name on either birth certificate but the name William Mills (deceased) appears on Martha's marriage cert in 1904. Neither daughter is with her mother at the time of the 1891 census (they are being looked after by a family called Pugh, on Black Hill), or in subsequent censuses. I do not have birth or death dates for Mary and I cannot find a suitable marriage.

Please can anyone help?

Mary

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name: Marth Mills
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
age: 15
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Dolfor, Montgomeryshire
record type: Household
registration district: Forden
sub-district: Montgomery
ecclesiastical parish: Llandyssil St Tyssil
civil parish: Llandyssil
county: Montgomeryshire

welcome to the boards by the way :-D

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name: Mary E Mills
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
age: 35
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Welshpool, Montgomeryshire
record type: Household
registration district: Gateshead
sub-district: Winlaton
ecclesiastical parish: Winlaton St Pauls
civil parish: Winlaton
county: Durham

name: Sarah A Mills
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
age: 16
relationship to head of household: Servant
birthplace: Newtown, Montgomeryshire
record type: Household
registration district: Newtown
sub-district: Kerry
ecclesiastical parish: Sarn Holy Trinity
civil parish: Kerry
county: Montgomeryshire

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1881

John MILLS Head M Male 65 Llanfair, Montgomery, Wales Hostler
Elizabeth MILLS Wife M Female 58 Llanfair, Montgomery, Wales Hostlers Wife
Mary MILLS Daur U Female 15 Llanfair, Montgomery, Wales General Serv Domestic


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Source Information:
Dwelling Chapel Row
Census Place Llanfair Caereinion, Montgomery, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342320
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5495 / 9
Page Number 12

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1881

John MILLS Head M Male 59 Bettws, Montgomery, Wales Gardener (Dom)
Sarah MILLS Wife M Female 50 Welchpool, Montgomery, Wales
Price MILLS Son U Male 26 Welchpool, Montgomery, Wales General Laborer
Mary Jane MILLS Daur Female 14 Welchpool, Montgomery, Wales Scholar
Thomas MILLS Son Male 11 Welchpool, Montgomery, Wales Scholar
Ann MILLS Daur Female 7 Welchpool, Montgomery, Wales Scholar
Sarah COLLINS Niece Female 1 Welchpool, Montgomery, Wales


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Source Information:
Dwelling Chestnut Cottage
Census Place Pool, Montgomery, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342320
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5494 / 65
Page Number 16

Thank you AnnCardiff. Do you have the names of the household for Martha Mills, age 15 in Llandyssil in 1901?
Mary

Mary



many illegitimate children added the name of a "father" to their marriage certificates ....... it looked better for the in-laws.

Sometimes they said the father was deceased .... thus providing a good reason for him not attending the wedding

Other times they used the name of a real person ..... grandfather, uncle, family friend, local dignitary,

or they made up a name.



If, as you say, there is no name of the father on the birth certificates for the girls, then it is more than likely that they were illegitimate.

and thus that Martha made up the name.




sylvia

nudging for Mary

Census 1901:


Name: Marth Mills
[Marth Morgan]
Age in 1901: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David Morgan
Mother's Name: Mary Morgan
Gender: Female
Where born: Dolfor, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llandyssil
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandyssil St Tyssil
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales


Registration district: Forden
Sub-registration district: Montgomery
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 5199
Folio: 65
Page Number: 6

Household Members: Name Age
David Morgan 40 c1861 Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales .Waggoner on farm.
>>Mary Morgan 36 c1865 Llanbadarn, Radnorshire, Wales
Clara Morgan 10 c1891 Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales
>>Marth Mills 15 c1886 Dolfor, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Definitely written as Marth Mills on the original, also as daur, and single.

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Marriages Jun 1900
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Evans Jane Ellen Newtown 11b 304
>>>Mills Mary Newtown 11b 304
>>>Morgan David Newtown 11b 304
Phillips William Newtown 11b 304

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EDIT: I now think this is wrong, and the Llanbadarn Mary was born in, in census 1901, was actually Llanbadarn Fynydd (which is not far from Newtown) as per census 1911, but have left this for elimination purposes.


Census 1871

Name: Mary Anne Mills
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Mills
Mother's Name: Ada Eliza Mills
Gender: Female
>>>>>Where born: Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanbadarn Vawr
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: Radnorshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Rhayader
Sub-registration district: Nantmel
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 5600
Folio: 92
Page Number: 14

Household Members: Name Age
John Mills 43 c1828 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales. farmer of 50 acres.
Ada Eliza Mills 44 c1827 Llanbister, Radnorshire, Wales
Jane Mills 12 c1859 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales
John Mills 9 c1862 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales
Mary Anne Mills 5 c1866 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales

Same family from 1901 census I posted, in 1911, ties in with the 1900 marriage I posted:

Married 11 years . 5 children, 2 living, 3 deceased.

MORGAN, David Head M 58 1853 Farmer Montgomery Tregynon
>>>MORGAN, Mary Wife Married 11 years F 46 1865 Radnorshire Llanbadarn Fynyeth
MORGAN, Clara Elizabeth Daughter Single F 21 1890 Farmers Daughter Dairy Work Montgomery Caersws
MORGAN, John Robert Son M 4 1907 Montgomeryllandysill
MORGAN, Peter S Grandson M 1 1910 Montgomeryllandysill

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
33777 Reference:
RG14PN33777 RG78PN1949 RD616 SD3 ED3 SN5

Registration District:
Newtown Sub District:
Kerry Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Kerry

Address:
Sycamore Cottage Llandyssil Montgomery County:
Montgomeryshire

Possibly Mary in 1891?


DAVIES, Thomas Head Widower M 65 1826 Farmer Blind Trowbridge
Wiltshire
DAVIES, John Son Single M 23 1868 Farmer Son Kerry Montgomeryshire
>>>MILLS, Mary Servant Single F 25 1866 Housekeeper Domestic Servant Radnorshire Davidswalls
CORBITT, Charles Servant Single M 16 1875 Farm Servant Llandysilio
Montgomeryshire

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Piece:
4592 Folio:
20 Page:
2 Registration District:
Newtown

Civil Parish:
Kerry Municipal Borough:

Address:
Fron, Kerry, Goitre County:
Montgomeryshire

Mary in 1881? Some of the family she worked for were born in Llanbadarn.


JONES, John Head Married M 37 1844 Farmer 470 Acres Employing 3 Men 1 Boy Llanano Radnorshire Wales
JONES, Jane Wife Married F 26 1855 Llanbadarn Radnorshire Wales
JONES, Evan Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Llanllwchaiarn Montgomeryshire Wales
JONES, Abraham Son Single M 4 1877 Kerry Montgomeryshire Wales
JONES, Mary J Daughter Single F 3 1878 Kerry Montgomeryshire Wales
JONES, John P Son Single M 0 1881 Kerry Montgomeryshire Wales
JONES, Sarah Mother Widow F 59 1822 Annuitant Llanbadarn Radnorshire Wales
JONES, Mary Niece Single F 8 1873 Scholar Llanbadarn Radnorshire
Wales
JONES, Thomas Servant Single M 17 1864 Ag Laborer Houghtre
Montgomeryshire Wales
JONES, Abraham Servant Single M 14 1867 Ag Laborer Houghtre
Montgomeryshire Wales
WILLIAMS, Joseph Servant Single M 24 1857 Ag Laborer Shropshire
>>>>MILLS, Mary Servant Single F 17 1864 Domestic Servant Llananno
Radnorshire Wales

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Piece:
5485 Folio:
62 Page:
4 Registration District:
Newtown

Civil Parish:
Kerry Municipal Borough:


Address:
Weeg, Kerry County:
Montgomeryshire

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I now believe this is the correct family for Mary Mills in 1871. Note she has a sister called Martha.

Llananno (see also census 1881) is near Llanbadarn Fynydd (see census 1911).

Name: Mary Mills
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Mills
Mother's Name: Ann Mills
Gender: Female
Where born: Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llananno
County/Island: Radnorshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Knighton
Sub-registration district: Llanbister
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 5597
Folio: 69
Page Number: 5

Household Members: Name Age
John Mills 56 c1815 Nantmel, Radnorshire, Wales farmer of 22 acres
Ann Mills 47 c1824 St Harmon, Radnorshire, Wales
Elizabeth Mills 11 c1860 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales
Edward Mills 9 c1862 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales
>>>>Mary Mills 6 c1865 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales
Martha Mills 4 c1867 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales
Aaron Mills 1 grandson c1870 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales

Census 1841?

MILLS, Francis M 65 1776 Radnorshire Farmer
MILLS, Eleanor F 65 1776 Radnorshire
>>>>MILLS, John M 25 1816 Radnorshire No occupation recorded
MILLS, Evan M 30 1811 Radnorshire carpenter
MEREDITH, William M 4 1837 Radnorshire

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Piece:
1458 Book/Folio:
8/6 Page:
8 Registration District:
Rhayader

Civil Parish:
Nantmel Municipal Borough:

Address:
Upper House, Nantmel, Coedglasson County:
Radnorshire

Census 1861:

MILLS, John Head Married M 45 1816 Farmer Of 15 Acres Nantmel
Radnorshire
MILLS, Ann Wife Married F 37 1824 St Harmon Radnorshire
MILLS, David Son M 9 1852 Farmers Son Llanbister Radnorshire
MILLS, Joseph Son M 8 1853 Farmers Son Llanbister Radnorshire
MILLS, Ann Daughter F 6 1855 Farmers Daughter Llanbister
Radnorshire
MILLS, Sarah Daughter F 4 1857 Farmers Daughter Llananno
Radnorshire
MILLS, Elizabeth Daughter F 1 1860 Farmers Daughter Llananno
Radnorshire

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Piece:
4235 Folio:
62 Page:
3 Registration District:
Knighton

Civil Parish:
Llananno Municipal Borough:

Address:
Plentyfell Gates, Upper Fordlace, Llananno County:
Radnorshire

Same family in 1851 Is daughter Eleanor named after her paternal grandmother (see census 1841), and son Francis after his paternal grandfather?:

MILLS, John Head Married M 35 1816 Farmer Nantmel Radnorshire
MILLS, Anne Wife Married F 27 1824 Farmer's Wife Llandilovane
Montgomeryshire
MILLS, Fransis Son M 7 1844 Farmer's Son Llananno Radnorshire
MILLS, John Son M 5 1846 Farmer's Son Nantmel Radnorshire
MILLS, Hugh Son M 3 1848 Farmer's Son Nantmel Radnorshire
MILLS, Eleanor Daughter F 2 1849 Farmer's Daughter Nantmel
Radnorshire

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Piece:
2493 Folio:
361 Page:
13 Registration District:
Knighton

Civil Parish:
Cwmlechwedd Municipal Borough:

Address:
City House, Cwmlechwedd County:
Radnorshire