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I am trying to find the MOTHER of a distant relative: 'George Edward Victor WHILE'.

The UK record of Victor's death in 1976 suggests that he was born on 20 June 1913.

My problem is that Victor is thought to have been born somewhere in CANADA (or possibly the USA), before moving to England with his father around 1913.

His father was Horace Reginald WHILE (born Aston, Birmingham, England, in 1878).

Little or nothing is known of the fate of Victor's mother (possibly Emily Ann While, nee CAPPER?), who apparently died in Canada around 1913.

I would be most grateful for any help. Thank you.

Victor

So not this one then ?

1911
WHILE, Horace Head Married M 31 1880 Carter Warwickshire Bham VIEW
WHILE, Alice Maude Wife Married
10 years F 32 1879 Berkshire Reading VIEW
WHILE, Horace E Son M 9 1902 Worcestershire Bham VIEW
WHILE, Doris E Daughter F 8 1903 Worcestershire Bham VIEW
WHILE, Maude B Daughter F 7 1904 Worcestershire Bham VIEW
WHILE, Phyliss E Daughter F 5 1906 Worcestershire Bham VIEW
WHILE, Hilda Daughter F 3 1908 Worcestershire Bham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17899 Reference:
RG14PN17899 RG78PN1092 RD383 SD2 ED15 SN172

Registration District:
Kings Norton Sub District:
Balsall Heath Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Balsall Heath

Address:
179 Highgate Road Balsall Heath



No middle initial given on marriage details
Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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STOKES Arthur James Solihull 6d 1101
TOVEY Alice Maud Solihull 6d 1101
WHILE Horace Solihull 6d 1101
Williams Marian Solihull 6d 1101


probably this one then
Births Sep 1879 (>99%)
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While Horace King's N. 6c 430



Rule it out

Possible death for Horace??

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Jun 1959 (71%)
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WHILE Horace R 81 Liverpool S. 10d 421


Andy

????
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Horace White
Name: Horace White
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 34
Port of departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 14 Aug 1913
Port of arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Empress of Britain

Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 120940
Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 553; Item: 6

With several children..Stanley,John,Emily,Victor and Horace.

Can't read his occupation. Something trimmer or turner??

Or this one....

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
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JELLICOE Ada White Toxteth P 8b 331
WHILE Horace R Jellicoe Toxteth P. 8b 331

Andy

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Stanley White Name: Stanley White
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Date of Arrival: 15 Jun 1907
Vessel: Lake Manitoba
Search Ship Database: View the 'Lake Manitoba' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of departure: Liverpool, England and Belfast, Northern Ireland
Roll: T-490

Also with him is;

Horace aged 28, Emily 29, John 4 and Horace 10 months.

Oh good,Dee! They're going to Beausejour,Manitoba. Looking at:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Gives you:
DETAILED DEATH INFORMATION

REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1913-042123

DECEASED DETAILS
Last Name: WHILE
Given Names: EMILY ANN Sex: FEMALE
Date of Death: 01/07/1913 Time of Death:
Place of Death: BROKENHEAD
Date of Birth: Age At Death: 33 Units of age: YEARS

REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1909-012440

CHILD'S DETAILS
Last Name: WHILE
Given Names: IDA EVELYN
Sex: FEMALE Date of Birth: 23/02/1909
Mother's mn is Capper.

Any births after 1911 won't show.

So they should be in the 1911 census for MB.

Maureen

waves to Maureen ~~~~~~~~~

Can't see them in 1911 in Canada........ gawd knows what they've been mistranscribed as.

I don't see them either,Dee. Oh well,at least we sort of know the scenario.

Maureen :-D

Thank you all for this useful info. One of the problems I have faced is that the name 'WHILE' has often been transcribed as 'WHITE' in the records!

Another is that Horace Reginald WHILE re-married after returning to Liverpool in 1913. His second marriage, to Ada JELLICOE, was in 1922. Horace died in 1959.

I suspect that Horace married his first wife, Emily Ann CAPPER, around 1896, and that the couple emigrated to Canada around 1906 with some children. George Edward Victor WHILE was apparently born in Canada in about 1913, just before Horace returned to England with some children - (but no wife!) Had Emily Ann While (nee CAPPER) died (perhaps in childbirth) whilst in Canada?

Who was the mother of George Edward Victor WHILE, and where in Canada was 'Victor' born?

I need help to access Canadian records, if possible.

Thank you all for your interest and help.

Regards
Victor

Many thanks, Maureen. You are an angel!

Now to find the birth of George Edward Victor WHILE! In Canada?

Kind regards
Victor

Here they are;

1911 Census of Canada
about Evelyn Harrie Name: Evelyn Harrie
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 2
Birth Date: Feb 1909
Birthplace: Manitoba
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: B R Acton
Mother's name: Emilie Harrie
Tribal: English
Province: Manitoba
District: Selkirk
District Number: 22
Sub-District Number: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
B R Acton 69
Meryl Harrie 32 >> Image states While Horace (Harris)
Emilie Harrie 34
Stanly Harrie 10
John Harrie 9
Harris Harrie 5
Evelyn Harrie 2

Oh for pete's sake!!! Well done,Dee!!!!!!!!!

Maureen

Unfortunately you wont find the birth just yet.. 100 year ruling.

It looks like Emily may have died with complications after giving birth to George (Victor) as she dies within 2 weeks of his birth.

Dee x

Well done, Dee! You're a better man than I. I searched that 1911 census for ages. No luck!

Just to pinpoint who they're with in 1911-says Horace is nephew to Head of House:
1861 England Census about George Rose Aston
Name: George Rose Aston
[George Rix Aston]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Aston
Mother's name: Mary Ann Aston
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 2176
Folio: 13
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Aston 43
Mary Ann Aston 42
>>George Rose Aston 19 Uncle in 1911
>>>>Cornelia Jane Aston 17 (Horace's mother)
Thomas Aston 15
Samuel Aston 12
Edwin Aston 9
Benjamin Aston 6
James Aston 48
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2176; Folio: 13; Page: 20
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1901 Census of Canada about George R Aston
Name: George R Aston
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 59
Birth Day & Month: 25 Jan
Birth Year: 1842
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Brother
Immigration Year: 1886
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Eg Church
Occupation: Farmer
Province: Manitoba
District: Selkirk
District Number: 11
Sub-District: Brokenhead
Sub-District Number: B-2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin J. Aston 48
George R Aston 59

Source Citation: Year: 1901; Census Place: Brokenhead, Selkirk, Manitoba. Page 12, Family No: 106.

Maureen

PS-Margee-I'm not sure how I would have transcribed that scrawl. Can't believe Dee found them!!!

Yes, Maureen, I was just looking at it and couldn't make head nor tail!

Aston
1901S1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000018902.pdf
1901S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000022857.pdf
[P12L29 - addy=N 1/2 SE36 T13 R7 E1M; d.o.immig=1884/6]

A search at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/001001-100.01-e.php gets:
Brokenhead Sec. 6, Twp. 15, R. 8, EPM - 1883-11-01
Beausejour Sec. 36, Twp. 12, R. 7, EPM - 1937-07-17 Unsurveyed - 1881-06-01

1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148099-00141.pdf
[addy=S36 T13 W7 E1M]

1906 Census Page Data
District: MB Selkirk District (#8)
Subdistrict: 04 (Townships 12, 13 in ranges 7, 8, 9, 10 east) Page 28
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-18356
18 213 Aston George Head M S 54

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001204649.pdf
[no addy given adjacent addy's are both S1 T13 R7 E1M]

1906 Census Page Data
District: MB Selkirk District (#8)
Subdistrict: 04 (Townships 12, 13 in ranges 7, 8, 9, 10 east) Page 10
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-18356
39 66 Aston E. J. Head M S 68

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001204640.pdf


1911 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001951181.pdf
[I read his name as Whyl Harris]


1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Manitoba / Selkirk / 9 Beausejour / page 5
1 34 Laurie James M Head M Oct 1856 54 1901 Links
2 34 Laurie Eleanor A F Wife M Oct 1856 54 1901 Links
3 34 Laurie Walter M Son S Mar 1888 23 1901 Links
4 34 Laurie Percy M Son S Mar 1890 21 1901 Links
5 34 Laurie Janet F Daughter S Mar 1892 19 1901 Links
6 34 Laurie Ethel F Daughter S Jul 1898 12 1901 Links
7 34 Aston Edwin J M Boarder S Nov 1860 50 1901
[Ancestry has Edwin J Arton - addy=CPR section house, Beauséjour village]

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001951154.pdf


For George & Edwin in 1916, go to:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1916/index-e.html
and search for district=Springfield, subdistrict #=18, then go to image 6 (of 30).
[addy= Town of Beausejour (from margin)]


1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: MB SELKIRK (#11)
Subdistrict: Brokenhead B-2 Page 12
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6435
29 106 Aston Edwin J M Head S Nov 27 1852 48
30 106 Aston George ? M Brother S Jan 25 1842 59


Beauséjour is abt 50km NE of Winnipeg; Brokenhead was another 20km N of Beauséjour.
Since the Beauséjour PO addy was S36 T12 R7 E1M and the Aston farm addy was S36 T13 R7 E1M, they were 6 miles N of Beauséjour.

Look up at http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php


LAST NAME: ASTON
GIVEN NAMES: GEORGE RIX
DATE OF DEATH: 05/01/1922
AGE: 79
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: MALE
PLACE OF DEATH: BEAUSEJOUR
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1922,003244
REGISTRATION DATE:


LAST NAME: ASTON
GIVEN NAMES: EDWIN JOHN
DATE OF DEATH: 29/10/1931
AGE: 79
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: MALE
PLACE OF DEATH: WPG
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1931,044217
REGISTRATION DATE:

:-D :-D I knew you'd pop in sooner or later!

I hope Victor checks his thread again,

Maureen