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I'm trying to find what happened to one of my ancestors after 1891.

Her name was Ann Brown nee Aspinall. She was born about 1839 in Shevington, Lancashire.

Her last known address was 129 Woodhouse Lane, Wigan, Lancashire, England, she said she was aged 50 then...lost a few years compared to earlier census records :)

Her husband James Brown died at Cherry Tree Inn, Queen Street, Wigan in 1900.

Did she die before 1901 or remarry? Or have I just lost her?

I can't find her on the 1901 census.

If she were alive in 1901 & living with one of her children, the only children of hers that i can't find in 1901 are Thomas Brown (b.1872 Orrell) Richard Brown (b.abt 1877 in Orrell) and daughter Ellen (born 1858 in Shevington). I lost track of Ellen after 1871.

Any help or suggestions appreciated.

Can you post the 1891 for reference please?

Dea x

1891 England Census about Ann Brown

Name: Ann Brown
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Sherrington, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3054
Folio: 98
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Brown 55
Ann Brown 50
James Brown 22
Thomas Brown 19
John H Brown 17
Richard Brown 14
Walter Brown 12
Mary M Brown 9

They usually spell Shevington wrong on Ancestry for some reason.

Meant to say thanks Dea for looking...I'm just hoping that someone may spot something that I've overlooked.

If she played around with her age, this might be worth considering?



Deaths Dec 1898
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Brown Ann 53 Wigan 8c 23

Thanks Gins.... I'll definitely consider that although it's quite a few years out.

she wasn't usually too far out with her age. ages 1, 12, 23, 32, 43 & then 50 through the various census records. I think 50 was the furthest out that I'd found.

She may have died before James (as you say) because she wasn't listed on the death certificate. Her son, William registered the death.

The problem with quite a few of my ancestors and their brick walls is that they have such common names!!

Do you have James's death cert - who was the informant?

Dea x

Hi Dea, it was their son William however, she doesn't appear to be living with him in 1901.

If he registered the death, there is the possibility that she may have died between 1891-1901.

I was also looking at that death which Gins has posted.

Ancestry has just gone down again but I will keep looking when I can get back on.

Dea x

Brown........its as bad as Smith!


Ive looked for 'Ellen' using only her first name and year/place of birth on the censuses and tried to match her up with a marriage......zilch

So what about this for her death?


Deaths Mar 1879
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Brown Ellen 19 Wigan 8c 43

Thanks Dea and Gins. I really appreciate this ladies :)

Are Ann and Ellen interchangeable?

Gins - I know! lol I have got a Smith in the family (different branch) Note the singular- I haven't been able to go further back for obvious reasons lol

I think I have someone who married a Jones. Surprisingly I managed to find her death!

I have Woods who seem to be lost in a whole forest! With that branch, it seems to be their deaths that are the killer and the fact that they go off to sea every now and again.

Thanks for all your help so far <3

Was the daughter Mary H and not Mary M?


Births Sep 1881
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Brown Mary Hilda Wigan 8c 50



Deaths Jun 1902
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Brown Mary Hilda 20 Wigan 8c 31

OMG.......Smith, Jones and Brown

Bless yer <3

Thanks for checking Gins but I think her middle name is May. (she married someone with the surname Woods)

OK, no problem. So this looks like Mary Ann with her brother James

1901 England Census
about James Brown
Name: James Brown
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Millicent Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Goshurst, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Scott St

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 3557
Folio: 31
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Brown 32 <<<Joiner & Cabinate Maker
Millicent Brown 29
William Brown 7
Ellen Brown 5
Florence M Brown 3
Mary M Brown 19 <<Sister, drapers ass;

just for info, do you have this

Baptisms: 23 Aug 1839 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ann Aspinall - 3d. Daur. of William Aspinall & Mary
Born: 15 Jul
Abode: Shevington
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: Jas. K. Glazebrook Curate
Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1842, Page 76, Entry 601
Source: LDS Film 1885679

Bear with me, Im trying to pin down all the little Browns to check if Ann is around

1901 England Census
Name: Walter Brown
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Hinckley
Ecclesiastical parish: Hinckley St Mary
Town: Hinckley
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Hinckley
Sub-registration district: Hinckley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 94
Piece: 2961
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Chamberlain 26
Emma Chamberlain 26
Walter Brown 22 <<<Gas fitter

Thanks Gins :) However, I've managed to find most of the children up to 1911. It's only richard, Ellen, and Thomas that i lost track of in 1901.

And yes, i've been completely stupid....the death record you found earlier was for the daughter Ellen (not Ann) . Please don't laugh at me! :-D

Yes that could be her!!

hello Ann, yes that's her....she may not have a birth certificate but at least she has a baptism thank goodness..

Her father is another mystery (well sort of). I've been trying to pin his death down before sending away for the certificate,

I thought he may have died after 1848/9 and before 1851 as the youngest child Ellis Aspinall was born about then (cannot track any birth/baprism records for him).

However, On Lancashire bmd (re) found this record this morning from 1845

ASPINALL William 38 Standish Wigan & Leigh STND/2/384

I'm beginning to think that perhaps Ellis belongs to another father!

i've contacted someone who has saved Ellis into her tree to see if she may have the parents names (i.e. father) - Ellis didn't seem to marry which makes things difficult :( I suspect that she may not be a descendant and therefore may not have tracked his birth down.

wrong mmn for Mary Hilda Gins

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROWN Mary Hilda Wigan Wigan & Leigh BRIDGE WIG/138/351

Mary May?

Baptisms: 5 Jun 1881 St Andrew, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mary May Brown - Daughter of James Brown & Ann
Abode: 8 Horton St
Occupation: Boat builder
Baptised by: W.A.Wickham
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1901, Page 29, Entry 230
Source: LDS Film 1885721