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1901 England Census
about Thomas Brown
Name: Thomas Brown
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Goathurst, Lancashire, England
[Gathurst, Lancashire, England]

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Piece: 3559
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Mee 39
Mary E Mee 37
Frederick H Mee 14
Charles D Mee 12
Karl L Mee 10
Joseph F Mee 5
Thomas Brown 29 <Cabinet Maker

Thank you Gins :))))

He was a cabinet maker :) I'll go and see if I can match that record up with my family tree maker tree :)

All merged successfully. (thanks Gins) I've found a Thomas Brown in 1911 from Gathurst as a commercial traveller , I'm wondering if that could be him? seems like a big change in jobs though?

I cant see him in the 1911? Cant imagine he would change occupation from a cabinet maker to a commercial traveller, but I guess you never know

This is the only death in Wigan (If he stayed there) that matches


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Thomas Brown
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 90

Thanks Gins :) That may be him.

From Wiganworld

Wigan Cemetery (Lower Ince)

Brown
Brown Ellen 19 yrs 20 Kay Street, Scholes 12-Mar 1879 E 140 * R C

Hmm not sure whether it is her or not now.

Right age for the death you found Gins but in May they were living in Horton street in Wigan.

Of course they could have moved shortly after Ellen's death or Ellen could have been living elsewhere.

The family were C of E (I think) but who is to say that is certain.

I found an Ann Brown in the same cemetery who was RC too:

Brown
Brown Ann 69 yrs Wigan Workhouse 22-Mar 1909 I 281 * R C

If this is my Ann, where was she in 1901?

There's also this Ann (not quite right age), but who are the other people?

Brown
Brown William 68 23 Shaw St 12-Nov 1901 B 160 C of E
Brown Ann 66 23 St Patrick's Row 14-Mar 1903 B 160 C of E
Howarth
Howarth Robert 82 yrs 23 Patrick's Row 31-Jul 1915 B 160 C of E
Lee
Lee Ellen 71 yrs 32 Broom Rd. 28-Jan 1941 B 160 C of E

perhaps not too big a leap from cabinet maker to commercial traveller. It depends what he was travelling to sell - carpentry items?

Sorry all,

Had to turn the computer off for a couple of hours as my plumber son was fitting a new motorised valve on the central heating and the electricity had to go off so he didn't kill himself !

Where are we up to?

Dea x

Still looking for Ann Brown.

Unexpectedly found Thomas in 1901 (thanks Gins).

Need to check if Thomas in 1911 is the same one.

Name: Thomas Brown
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Gayhurst, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Hornby St Wigan Lancs
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Commercial Traveller
Registration district: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Piece: 23007
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 39
Martha Emily Brown 33
Douglas Waud Brown 5

Ann - he sold tea, coffee, cocoa

he was married 7 years,

Gins found Ann's daughter Ellen Brown possibly!

not quite cabinets then.........

This would be the marriage:

1903:
BROWN Thomas JOBSON Emily Martha St. Michael & All Angels,
Wigan Wigan & Leigh C31/1/365

It would be interesting to see what his occupation was at that time.

Dea x

P.S. - His son is Douglas GRANT Brown.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROWN Douglas Grant Wigan Wigan & Leigh JOBSON WIG/244/301


Dea x

Not quite Ann...lol

Thanks Dea.I'll put that on my to do list if I get to Wigan History shop in this year (assuming that they have those records)

:-D

(Tongue in cheek) :-D :-D

It MUST be the same one - his son married a SMITH!!

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1933
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BROWN Douglas Grant SMITH Kathleen St. Michael & All Angels, Wigan Wigan & Leigh C31/3/345

Dea Xxx :-D :-D ;-)

Oh no, not another one Dea :) lol

I owe you a look up - so if there is anything amongst this lot you think would benefit from looking at parish records / wills in the lancs RO let me know

Unfortunately there are gaps in the All Saints Wigan records both online & in the LRO. Baptisms for 1844-1864 are missing

Is there a will for James Brown I wonder?

Thanks Ann. That's very kind. I didn't know they did wills. I've just sent off for his father's will (also called James) I haven't received it yet.

I'm not sure whether James jr had a will, I''ll take another look and see what i can find.

Do you need anything from Liverpool?

Not done too much of my own recently, partly because the LRO was closed for 4 months but will let you know if I need anything. thanks

For any wills proved at Liverpool or Lancaster copies are kept at the Lancs RO in lovely big bound volumes of beautiful copperplate writing. Some poor little clerks must have spent hours copying them out.

They also hold the probate indices up to 1966. I am not sure how complete ancestry probate indices are.

You posted this above:

There's also this Ann (not quite right age), but who are the other people?

Brown
Brown William 68 23 Shaw St 12-Nov 1901 B 160 C of E
Brown Ann 66 23 St Patrick's Row 14-Mar 1903 B 160 C of E
Howarth
Howarth Robert 82 yrs 23 Patrick's Row 31-Jul 1915 B 160 C of E
Lee
Lee Ellen 71 yrs 32 Broom Rd. 28-Jan 1941 B 160 C of E


Just to say that this is NOT 'your' Ann as this one is born in Bury and married to William on 1911 cencus and the Ellen mentioned is her daughter.

Dea x

Thanks Dea....that one didn't feel right. The gas and the ages & names of the other people didn't add up.

Thanks for checking. I really do appreciate this :)

Thanks Ann, I'll have to get to the LRO one day :)

I had a quick look on Ancestry but couldn't see anything for the young James but I may have missed it or the index is not quite complete. (I'll have to look into that)

Apologies if you don't hear from me for a few hours. I won't be on my computer.

Hope you all have a lovely day :)