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Hi, Could anyone help me to find out about George Ashiel Bright born in Devon about 1845 changed his name to George Dawe, his wifes name was Mary Selina Dawe also born in Devon, and how would I be able to get a birth and death certificate as I Live in Liverpool where George came to live and changed his name, it looks as though he must have married the same woman twice, my great grandfather was William Dawe born in Liverpool in 1879. Any information will be of a great help, Thanks Lin.

So George changed his name to his wife's surname ?


Marriages Sep 1864 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bright George Ashiel - Stoke D 5b 605
Dawe Mary Selina Adams - Stoke D. 5b 605

Could this be his death? :-

Name: DAWE, George
Registration District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1920
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 80
Volume No: 8B
Page No: 395

This would make him born slightly earlier than you thought although the age at death can be wrong as it depends on how well the informant knew the deceased.

Kath. x

What makes you think he married the same woman twice?

Kath. x

Mary Selina and children

Household: 1881

Mary S. DAWE Head M Female 36 Ashburton, Devon, England Sailors Wife (Formerly Tailoress)
Lucy A. DAWE Daur Female 12 Devonport, Devon, England Scholar
Robert E. DAWE Son Male 8 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
George T. DAWE Son Male 6 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
William J. DAWE Son Male 2 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary S. DAWE Daur Female 1 m Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Dwelling 35 Steele St
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England







Is this George still living in Devon in 1881 ?


Thomas ALFORDS Head M Male 55 Sourton, Devon, England Farmer Of 80 Acres
Ann ALFORDS Wife M Female 58 Sourton, Devon, England
George DAWE Serv M Male 36 Sourton, Devon, England Farm Servant Indoor
George MADDAFORD Serv U Male 15 Sourton, Devon, England Farm Servant Indoor
Elizabeth ROBINSON Serv U Female 23 Tavistock, Devon, England General Servant

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Dwelling Slickers
Census Place Sourton, Devon, England



EDIT :

Just noticed in 1881 Mary is a SAILOR'S WIFE so doubt that is George working as a servant.

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If birthplace is actually Sowton..........................

EDIT :

Don't think it's him born Sourton so have deleted the birth I found.

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You can order certificates online from

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

quote the district and reference numbers ( will cost £9.25 each )

If the George given above in the 1881 census is the corect one then this could be his birth:-

Name: BRIGHT, George
Registration District: St. Thomas
County: Devon
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 10
Page No: 212

Sourton given as his birthplace on the census could be Sowton which is in the St. Thomas Registration district.

EDIT - I think this is wrong as Sourton is in the Okehampton Registration district. I can't find a birth registered there so his birth may not have been registered at all as there was no penalty for not registering a birth until 1875.

Kath. x

More inclined to think this is him in view of Mary being a Sailor's wife


Household: 1881

Geo. DAW Other M Male - 39 - Colebrook, Devon, England Boatsn
Boatsn


Vessel "Impregnable"
Census Place Devonport, Devon, England

You need to start with the marriage cert for George and Mary Selina.
Hopefully it will give you father's names.

At this stage I can't see a birth for Mary Selina either.

Can anyone read what it says on:
Ancestry:
England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976 about George Ashiel Bright
Name: George Ashiel Bright
Father's Name: Jas
Publication Date: 1864


It LOOKS like it gives the GRO ref for his marriage and then something like
Son of James a retired drillmaster>(officer???). I could be making that up!

Maureen

Off to bed for me.

Thats what it looks like to me also. Maureen

Do you have any certificates? If not how do you know his name was Bright?

1871

Name: Lucy Davol
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Thos Dovel
Mother's name: Salena Davol
Gender: Female
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
George Thos Dovel 37 >>>Summersetshire, Wiltshire, England>>Mariner
Salena Davol 27 >>>Devonport, Devon, England
Lucy Davol 2 >>>Devonport, Devon, England
George Thos Davol 5 Months



1891

Name: George T Davol
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary S Davol
Gender: Male
Where born: Wells, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
George T Davol 57 >>>Fitters Labourer
Mary S Davol 47
Robert E Davol 18
George I Davol 16
William Davol 12
Mary S Davol 10
James Davol 5

Looks like Dawe on the Image

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
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BRIGHT George Thomas Liverpool 8b 41

Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
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BRIGHT George Thomas 3 Liverpool 8b 22

Child that is on the 1871 census?

1901 census - household transcription
Person: DAW, James
Address: 46, Leyden Street, Kirkdale


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DAW, George Head Married M 69 1832 Watchman Timber Yd
Wells
Somersetshire VIEW
DAW, Mary S Wife Married F 57 1844
Davenport
Cheshire VIEW
DAW, James Son Single M 16 1885 Grocers Assist
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW

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Burial of George Thomas Bright ..... from ancestry

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Burials, 1813-1974 about George Thomas Bright

Name: George Thomas Bright
Birth Year: abt 1870
Age: 3
Burial Date: 12 Nov 1873
Parish: Walton Park

from image:-

Address:- Steel Street


and his baptism!

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about George Thomas Bright

Name: George Thomas Bright
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1871
Christening Date: 22 Jan 1871
Christening Place: Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: George Thomas Bright
Mother's name: Selena





sylvia

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DAWL, George T
Address: 78 Rockingham Street Kirkdale Liverpool



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DAWL, George T Head Married
47 years M 78 1833 Labour Boilermaking Somersetshire Wells VIEW
DAWL, Selina Mary Wife Married
47 years F 65 1846 Devon Ashburton VIEW
DAWL, James Son Single M 23 1888 Labourer Paint Manufactory Lankshire Lverpool VIEW
CROZIER, Mary Daughter Married F 29 1882 Lankshire Lverpool VIEW
CROZIER, John Son In Law M 31 1880 Carter General Ireland Tyrone Resident VIEW
SCANLON, Mary Granddaughter F 9 1902 School Lankshire Liverpool VIEW
SCANLON, Lucy Granddaughter F 7 1904 School Lankshire Liverpool VIEW
SCANLON, David Grandson M 5 1906 School Lankshire Liverpool VIEW

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Hi, I would like to thank everyone for their help I have found them in Steele street Liverpool in1881 and in 14 darwin street Liverpool in 1871 name Dawl, and I have found a marriage for George Thomas Dawle and Mary Selina Bright 1871 8b 212 in Liverpool, but Im'e not sure whether Im'e on the right track as I have got a bit confused over the names and did she marry the same man twice and he changed his name. Iv'e got a bit stuck again, I will have to send off for their marriage certificate. I would be very grateful if there is anymore help that anyone could give me, your help is most appreciated. Regards Lin.

I'm a little confused. Here's the info from the marriage cert:
Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Mary Selina Bright
Name: Mary Selina Bright widow
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 26 Nov 1871
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: George Thomas Dawl Occ:Mariner
Father's Name: Thomas Triggs Occ:Mariner
Spouse Father's Name: James Dawl Occ:Gardener

Maureen

Hi Lin,
I tried to respond to your PM but GR keeps giving me an error message. grrr

I'm not getting anywhere with this tangled mess. Where did the surname Triggs pop up from?

The 1864 marriage cert would be interesting to see. It's difficult to be certain that they're the same couple.

Maureen

So she could have married 2 Georges ( One G.A. Bright 1864, one G.T.Dawe/Dawl 1871)
which means George didn't change his name ...

and her father's name was Triggs .