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Can anybody help me trace Joseph Turner, listed on his son Thomas's marriage cert as an Engineer, he had sons Thomas, William, Harry, Percy and Muriel. His son Thomas was married in New Mills at St George's Church New Mills to Caroline Wood in 1917. If possible I would like to know the name of his wife and his date of birth, and possibly any information on the family in general. He may have had connections in Yorkshire, or possibly Dove Holes in Derbyshire.

Where is New Mills ?

It seems to be in Derbyshire.

Kath. x

Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Hadfield Annie Rose Mayfield 7b 1771
Rose George Hadfield Hayfield 7b 1771
Turner Thomas Wood Hayfield 7b 1771
Wood Caroline Turner Hayfield 7b 1771



How old was he when he married, occupation ?

How do you know the names of Thomas's siblings?

Just about to ask the same thing

What research have you done so far

These are the Joseph Turners who are Engineers on 1901 census

Joseph H Turner 41 Cornwall St Austell Cornwall St Austell Electrical Engineer
Joseph W Turner 19 Greystoke Cumbland Northumberland Wallsend Engineer
Joseph Turner 29 Staffs Kidsgrove Staffordshire Kidsgrove Mechanical Engineer
Joseph W Turner 61 Lanc Preston Sea Liverpool C B Toxteth Park Mechanical Engineer
Joseph Turner 20 Scotland Cornwall Perranzabuloe Mining Engineer
Joseph Turner 62 Worcester Netherton Essex Hornchurch Retired Engineer

Sheila

You are obviously reading the thread as you sent a pm confirming where New Mills is


BUT without some feedback on the marriage cert and what other info you have we are a bit stuck


Maureen

Is this the family in the 1911 census:-

TURNER, Joseph Head Married M 48 1863 Stationary Engineman Anscroft Shropshire
TURNER, Maria Wife Married 21 years F 48 1863 Chesterfield Derbyshire
TURNER, Thomas Son Single M 19 1892 Invoice Clerk Whaley Bridge Cheshire
TURNER, William Son Single M 17 1894 Grocer's Assistant Whaley Bridge Cheshire
TURNER, Percy Son M 14 1897 Cabinet Maker's Apprentice Whaley Bridge Cheshire
TURNER, Harry Son M 11 1900 School Whaley Bridge Cheshire
TURNER, Muriel Daughter F 7 1904 School Whaley Bridge Cheshire


Address:
Rock Bank Whaley Bridge

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Kath. x

I know the names of the siblings through an elderly Aunt, Thomas was a Commercial Traveller on his marriage certificate, gives Joseph as an Engineer, he is listed as being a paper manufacturer in New Mills Derbyshire, High Street up to about 1925. On the marriage certificate it gives residence as Strensall York, but I think this may have been a barracks. Thomas was committed to Mickleover Lunatic Asylum in approx 1935 where he died probably late 1950s early 1960s. I need to find Thomas's birth certificate and though that by researching Joseph I might be able to find more about the family. There was talk of their being a paper mill in the family but this may just be legend. Haven't been able to find Joseph anywhere. This side of the family wasn't spoken about by the family generally so they are a bit of a mystery especially with the surname Turner.

Correction: Thomas is listed as being a paper manufacturer in New Mills not Joseph.

Same family in 1901 census:-

TURNER, Joseph Head Married M 38 1863 Banksman Colliery Anscroft Salop
TURNER, Maria Wife Married F 40 1861 Draper
Chesterfield Derbyshire
TURNER, Tom Son Single M 9 1892 School Boy
Whaley Bge Cheshire
TURNER, Willie Son Single M 7 1894 School Boy
Whaley Bge
Cheshire VIEW
TURNER, Percy Son Single M 4 1897 School Boy
Whaley Bge Cheshire
TURNER, Harry Son Single M 1 1900 Whaley Bge Cheshire

Address:
Market Street, Yeardsley Cum Whaley


Piece: 3308
Folio: 26
Page: 44
Registration District: Macclesfield

Kath. x

Thanks Kath....that's the family, so pleased at least I have something to go on now. Joseph was my great grandfather, Thomas my grandfather.
What would a stationary engineman be? Anybody know

What age was Thomas when he married please?

From old occupations site:-

Stationary Engine Driver - Operated steam factory engine, used for all processes, usually linked by a system of shafts, pulleys and belts.

or:-

Stationary Engineer - Maintained the factory steam engine and machinery

Kath. x

Possible birth for Joseph:-

Name: TURNER, Joseph
Registration District: Atcham
County: Shropshire
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 6A
Page No: 605

Kath. x

This is a possible for Joseph and Maria's marriage:-

Name: TURNER, Joseph
Registration District: Chapel En Le Frith
County: Derbyshire
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 7B
Page No: 1317

One of the other names on the same page is Maria Bagley.

Kath. x

Name: Maria Bagley
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 29
Father's Name: John Carter Bagley
Spouse's Name: Joseph Turner
Spouse's Age: 28
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Turner
Marriage Date: 9 Apr 1890
Marriage Place: Chapel-en-Le-Frith, Derbyshire, England

Name: Maria Bagley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John C. Bagley
Mother's Name: Maria Bagley
Gender: Female
Where born: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Fernilee
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: Horwich End
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Elem Teacher (School)

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3457
Folio: 66
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
John C. Bagley 59
Maria Bagley 56
Maria Bagley 20
Annie Bagley 18
Margaret Bagley 16
Elenora Bagley 12
Lydia Bagley 9

1881 census

1871 England Census about John C Bagley
Name: John C Bagley
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Bagley
Gender: Male
Where born: St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Fernilee
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 3639
Folio: 6
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
John C Bagley 49
Maria Bagley 46
John Bagley 16
Maria Bagley 10
Annie Bagley 8
Margaret Bagley 5
Eleanor Bagley 2

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