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Is it possible for anyone to please do a look up as don't have a full sub to Ancestry & have just found a reference for John Cummings b1850 Nova Scotia . Its for Ontario Deaths 1869-1938 & Deaths overseas 1939-1937.

John disappeared after the 1871 census. He first appeared with his family on the 1851 Census for England he was age 1 Woolwich Kent.
1851 has the surname recorded as CUNNING but it is CUMMINGS.

Much apprec if you can help.

Kathy :)

Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
about John Cummings Name: John Cummings
Death Date: Jan 1921
Death County or District: Brant
Age: 72
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Birth Location: Nova Scotia

He was born in Canada

Where is he in 1871 please and what was his occupation?

Many Thanx ,, yes he was born in Halifax Nova Scotia. Are you telling me that he lived his life in Canada & died age 72 in 1921.

What should i do next? Is it poss for me to order the death cert.

Kathy :))

Ok I found him

1881 England Census
about John Cummings Name: John Cummings
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: New Brunswick N A

Civil parish: Berkeley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Newtown
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Engine Fitter

Registration district: Thornbury
Sub-registration district: Berkeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2517
Folio: 123
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Clifford 28
Martha Clifford 33
Louisa Clifford 12
Thomas Needham 47
John Cummings 31



Sorry I thought you meant he was born in Woolwich

For Reference ??

1871 England Census:

Name: John Cummings
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: NS, Halifax
Civil parish: Stoke next Guildford
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Guildford
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Guildford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 216
Piece: 811
Folio: 43
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Hunsley 62
Louisa Hunsley 60
Mary Smallpiece 93
John Cummings 21

Name of Informant on Death:

Victor Cummings - son

John Cummings shown as a Traveller, died in Brantford General Hospital of Old Age

Birth date shown as the 4th August - no year, but shows that he was 72 - no parents shown

Buried on the 17th January 1921

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account British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): John

Last name: CUMMINGS

Calculated year of birth: 1850

Parish of birth:

Town of birth: Halifax

County of birth: Nova Scotia

Age at attestation: 14 years 4 months

Attestation date: 5 February 1864

Attestation corps: Royal Engineers

Attestation soldier number: 8025

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps:

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 2604 / 76

This matches his occupation in 1871

Sorry jax -i'm a slow typer.

He was born Halifax Nova Scotia & was an engine fitter.

On the 1851 he was 1 at Woolwich Kent 1861 also Woolwich aged 11

1871 Guilford Lodger age 21 1881 has a birthplace error - other than that it seems to fit him.

Thanks
Kathy

Looking at his Army records he was discharged in Dublin in 1885 and was not married at that time

The 1871 says he was a Sapper R.E (Royal engineers)

Whether he then went back to Canada?

Thanks so very much Lynne and Jax - i am so happy that we have found John after all these years. When he failed to appear on subsequent census & i couldn't find a death entry , it just made no sense. & i'd no idea what to do .
He was my grt-grandfather's brother.
The family had strong links to Canada.

Never heard of a Sapper either.

Thanx so very much!!
Kathy :))

Lynne

Where did you get John's death/burial & informant details from?
Hope you don't mind me asking.

Thanx so much
Kathy :)))

I found them on ancestry worldwide, using the information that Jax found above. If you pm me your e-mail address I will send it to you.

Lynne

This is a possible for John Cummings back in Canada in 1891:

showing a son called Victor

Name: John Cummings
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 42
Birth Year: abt 1849
Birthplace: United States
Relation to Head of House: Head
Religion: Baptist
French Canadian: No
Spouse's Name: Mary Cummings
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Province: Ontario
District Number: 122
District: Waterloo North
Subdistrict: Berlin
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Cummings 42 - original says that John was born N.S.
Mary Cummings 38
Harry Cummings 16
Edith Cummings 12
Victor Cummings 9

Although that census looks promising mother born Nova scotia father born Scotland on earlier census....I could not see any mention of wife and children on his army records

Shall have another look to see if I have missed something

edit - Next of kin father John and an address in Woolwich

You know Lynne, i don't know, i've found so many errors within census information that i collect near hits & misses, as if he's not mine, he is still useful to me.
I've been doing this for years.

Do you need me to PM u, if so do i PM by pressing the pink button that says SEND MESSAGE - want to make sure so to try & avoid posting my email - never PM'd before.

Kathy :))

Click on Pink 'Send Message' button, I will send you a copy, hopefully of the death information.

Lynne

P.S. Do you know whether John had any family?

P.P.S. Did John have a middle name of LEVI? If so, a number of trees on ancestry showing John with wife Mary and family.

What was your great grandfather called, brother of John?

Until today the last time i found or learnt anything about John was the 1871 Guildford census.

The Army is such a surprise to me & it must be him as JaX says the next of kin is down as John (dad) & the Woolwich address.

Thanks i will PM you.

Kathy

Is this the 1851 census that you refer to in the original posting:

Name: Mary A Cunning
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Lodger
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Ns

Civil parish: Woolwich
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 1589
Folio: 243
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Balph 19
Jane Balph 16
Joseph Balph 25
Charlotte Brian 8
Elizabeth Bainbold 2
Mary A Cunning 32 - Lodger - Sappers wife, born N.S.
William Cunning 3
John Cunning 1

1881 Census of Canada
about John Cummings Name: John Cummings
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 32
Birth Year: 1849
Birthplace: Nova Scotia
Religion: Baptist
Nationality: Scotch (Scotish)
Occupation: Tanner
Province: Ontario
District Number: 165
District: Oxford South
Sub-District Number: B
Subdistrict: Tillsonburg
Household Members: Name Age
John Cummings 32
M. A. Cummings 28
Chas. H. Cummings 6
Edith Cummings 3


If he was still in the Army would he be in Canada?