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Elizabeth in 1851 is the age that Isabel (not recorded as Isabella) would have been - and there is no Elizabeth in 1841.

The two names could sound similar if not enunciated clearly

There is a four year gap between the death of Henry's first wife and his re-marriage - so who knows who the parents were of the children born in the interim period

Anthony Coubourn

Christening:
23 APR 1829 Saint Paul, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Henry Coubourn
Family
Mother: Ann

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C162161


Name: Alice Couburn
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1827
baptism/christening place: ST. PAUL, BLACKBURN, LANCS, ENGLAND
birth date: 1826
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Henry Couburn
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16216-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470927
reference number: - 2:3RLQTT2



Name: Joseph Cowburn
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 15 Nov 1824
baptism/christening place: ST. PAUL, BLACKBURN, LANCS, ENGLAND
birth date: 1824
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Henry Cowburn
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16216-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470927
reference number: - 2:3RLNPMT
Source Citation

Hi
First of all contact is howard not Stephen in this instance he as
Iasbella death 1838 which i did not wan't to say hes wrong untill
I prove it.
Second Vera posted 1841 for Henry on Pg 1 of this tread
up to henry of henry are his 1st wife Ann morris m 14 feb 1824
Henry belive born of Mary Aspinall before she m Henry 3 oct 1836
As you will see Isabella apearers 1841 Elizabeth dose not, 1851
about face I have often wonderd if they were one, can't find birth for them.
Thay are on computer easyer to delete ifproven wrong not cloged up with paper. hope this helps
I'm on ftm tree itdose not copy & paste, if it dose Ihave not been able to.
Doug

Hi Reggie
you are on the ball Joseph 1824 & Alice 1826/7 as youwill have notist
the spelling I'm not much better ps there was possibe Ann 8 aug1830
re Henry / Nanny.
Doug

I remarked on the discrepancy between 1841 and 1851 at the top of this page, and suggested a possible reason for it.

You still have not told us which, if any, of the 1841/1851Cowburns is your 100% proven relative.

It's easier to try to help you if we know the facts on which you are working.

My mistake re: the other man's name - transposed some info

it has already been proved that the death in 1838 is not your Isabella - see p1 of this thread

a) if she died in 1838 she would have not have been on the 1841 census

b) she was age 1 in 1838 when that death took place (see lancashirebmd.org.uk) and your Isabella was born about 1833

Cowburn was a fairly common name in the are of Blackburn / Lowr Darwen

looking at the births on lancs bmd at just 1839 - 1841 there are 8 different mother's maiden names recorded

untill I find birth for isabella or elizabeth can only go on 1841 1851 census
that thay are differentiate family waiting for rest of St Pauls Church Blackburn to come online Baptisms1826 to 1884.
doug

you may be waiting a long time for that range...........

this is what they hold at the Lancs record office

BLACKBURN, St Paul; Diocese of Blackburn
C 1792-1955 M 1854-1955 B 1792-1912 Orig reg on
microfiche to 1900 PR 3340
C 1830-1840 B 1830-1840 Copy BT Microfilm DRB 2/17

I was using the microfilm yesterday so did not see any baptisms before 1830 but there was no Isabella or Elizabeth Cowburn (or variants) 1833 - 1840. The only ones I found I gave you in my last post

if you can let me know specific names and rough dates (possibly of later ones to prove you have the right line??) I will look next time I go

So Isabel Boardman isn't the lady connected to you?

Ozi

Douglas

Sorry, but, as you aren't answering the questions posed, I can no longer try to help

Hi all

Sorry if did not say will this help
Me Douglas Cowburn born 1940
Father Henry Douglas Cowburn born 1916
G F Robert Henry Cowburn born 1890
GG F Christopher Cowburn born 1864
GGG F Robert Cowburn born abt 1836
GGGG F Henry Cowburn 1841 census born 1803
GGGGG F Joseph Cowburn born abt 1782

Isabella /Elisabeth would my Aunts

Below is untill proven Joseph ? bro Ralph & his / there Mother no father

Baptisms: 28 May 1771 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
? Cowbrand - child of Thomas Cowbrand & Jane
Abode: Blackburn
Register: Baptisms 1759 - 1772, Page 96, Entry 41
Source: LDS Film 1278778
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Baptisms: 21 Jul 1782 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Joseph Cowbrand - Son of Grace Cowbrand
Abode: L Darwen
Register: Baptisms 1773 - 1791, Page 51, Entry 35
Source: LDS Film 1278778
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Baptisms: 15 Mar 1784 Lower Chapel, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Ralph Cowburn - Child of Grace Cowburn
Abode: Oakenhurst
Baptised by: Rev. Robert Smalley
Register: Baptisms 1751 - 1791, Page 102, Entry 2964
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Isabel Broadman possible Ralphs side have not got that far.
will make list dates henrys kids all 3 marriages
doug
fingers give way

Thank you

1861

Name: Henry Cowburn
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Richard Cowburn***********************Rachel
Gender: Male
Where born: Darwen, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Rishton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Harwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 138
Piece: 3091
Folio: 129
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Cowburn 57
Richard Cowburn 57
Ralph Cowburn 17
John Cowburn 14
William Cowburn 12
Mary Farrer 28
John Duckworth 26

Marriage: 23 Oct 1854 St Bartholomew, Great Harwood, Lancashire, England
Henry Cowburn - (X), 50 Labourer Widower of Rishton
Rachel Grimshaw - (X), 46 Widow of Rishton
Groom's Father: Joseph Cowburn, Crofter
Bride's Father: John Warburton, Weaver
Witness: Simon Eddleston; Mary Cowburn, (X)
Married by After Banns
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1862, Page 213, Entry 426


Totally irrelevant, but my father was baptised in that Church

Baptisms: 12 Feb 1804 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Henry Couburn - Son of Joseph Couburn & Ann
Born: 2 Dec 1803
Abode: Lower Darwen
Register: Baptisms 1792 - 1812, Page 208, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1278804

Hi Vera
I reread you said you did not have Isabella Cowburn in your tree
dose this mean you have cowburns if so where are you connected.
I also missed info which as help me leave Joseph & Anthony on the tree & Anns Death, may be Isabella / Elizabeth were born before Anns death because 1841 census can be or can not be 5yrs out as others dependen on who gave info or was taken at census time. any comment from 5yrs out.
Doug

Hi Reggie
Had that marriage Henry & Rachel of lanc's opc
Thanks 1861 census looks great will print copy for records & update.
Where did you lookup. I also missed your coment re Isabella / Elizabeth
I did think on that line to, still as to be proven.
Sorry could have sent Henry's bap got that of lanc opc as well.
I leant to do quite abit of copy & paste any advice on c/p from
Family Tree Maker, I have done some snipping to my pictures
I cannot get it on to Gene's Ps will have to give it a break for a while.
Doug

posting this for reference - without reading through again I'm sure I saw some Rishton baptisms somewhere along the line

Marriage: 31 Oct 1857 St Bartholomew, Great Harwood, Lancashire, England
Robert Cowburn - (X), 21 Collier Bachelor of Rishton
Ann Rostron - (X), 22 Spinster of Rishton
Groom's Father: Henry Cowburn, Cotton Weaver
Bride's Father: Christopher Rostron, Cotton Weaver
Witness: Nathaniel Haworth; Margaret Fish, (X)
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1862, Page 255, Entry 509

according to 1881 Robert was born in Oswldtwistle. The main church in Oswaldtwistle was not opened until 1837. Before that apparently the church used was St james in Church Kirk which is not online. I wonder if that is the missing link between Robert and the correct Henry

I don't think I have seen a baptism for Robert on this thread

Vera was trying to convey that she is not connected.

If anyone on here did have a connection, they would tell you

Ann died in the March qtr of 1932. Any child born before her death would have been older than 8 in 1841

The general instruction re 1841 census was that ages of over-15's were to be rounded down to the nearest 5 - under 15's had their ages recorded accurately (or as accurately as was known by the person giving the info)

Hi Reggie
have been looking up some old paper copies back in 2003
A henry Cowburn m Mary Smith 11 Dec 1833 Cathedral Manchester
Lancashire England. batch no M005468, dates 1832-1833, Source call No 0438196, type Film, Printout call no,6900002, type film.
Is it possible this sould have been the Henry, can anyone Please check If
he apears on 1841 census.
Doug