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Yes, but was trying to find information from a different angle as everyone drew a blank there. She has the Irish connection but I thought if I tried from the Scottish angle it might be easier. Their records are so much better and I don't think Matthew was ever in Ireland.

It partially worked up to the present, as I can now definitely discount the Matthew and Sarah Rogerson connection

Hi Janet,
I honestly think that this is a "square peg and round hole" scenario.
I dont any connection between Matthew Geddes b 1839 Lochmaben and this particular family
No evidence of a Scottish connection prior to the birth of Alexander 1872 in Ireland

There is no reason why the girl who married and became Mrs Whiteside would not provide her birth parents names.
Presumably her sibling named the same parents?

It seems to me, that their father was called Matthew Geddes.
This man would be quite a bit older that the one born in Lochmaben 1839.

If you wished, you could PM their mother's name and I could look at Irish records and see if I can find her marriage and subsequent births in Ireland.

Anne

Anne

Yes, Whiteside is Margaret's married name. Both her and her brother Matthew (yes another one) were born in Ireland but both married in Scotland. Both their marriage records lists Matthew Geddes, Joiner Journeyman, and Sarah McCracken, nee Scott, as their parents. Grandfather's marriage records also state this.

If Sandy was really Margaret's nephew that would mean he would have to have been born to either of Matthews 2 younger sisters, Jannet or Mary. Just to complicate matters further, Sandy, his wife, his 2 children and the Whitesides all moved to Belfast. the 1901 and 1911 census lists Sandy as being born in Scotland and this time Sandy's son Alec is living with the Whitesides as a - guess what - nephew.

Confused ? Join the club. :-D

Sorry Anne. I hadn't realised there were 2 pages and answered your previous post on the first page, then read this. Will PM you. Thank you.

Janet,
That's exactly what I though you would say
There are 6 births in Co Down betwen 1839 and 1851.
ALL were born to Matthew Geddes and wife Sarah. ( although I can't get a match with mccracken)
These births match the info you gave.

Margaret Geddes b 1839
John William Geddes b 1841
Matthew Geddes b 1844
Sarah Geddes b 1846
David Geddes b 1848
Henry Geddes b 1851

( I think I also located some of them on Scottish records from 1871 onwards. Matthew Geddes b 1844. Marry Jane Elliot?)

Anne

I cannot find any birth around 1872 for an Alexander Geddes
I have a sneaky suspicion that Alexander is indeed a nephew of Margaret Whiteside Ms Geddes..... possibly born to one of her siblings?
I have seen marriage certs where someone named their grandparents as their parents

I think you can definitely discout Matthew Geddes b 1839 in Lochmaben having any connection to your family at this stage

That will take some getting my head round. I'll have to try and get some more information on this Matthew and Sarah, particularly her maiden name. Then to find the link between Alexander and Scotland.

Time for tea and some serious thinking.

thank you.