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mgnv - I'm running out of ways to say "thank you" !!

I've not had much time to "play" over the last couple of days so haven't really discovered the various ways to manipulate the images. Your "geeky tutorial" will be a great start!!
After I posted (pretty late last night) I was thinking about the school bit also and I came to the same conclusion as you. My Dad (now in his 90s) remembers as a small boy in the 1920s being fascinated by what he know knows was Adeline's Pitman's shorthand. The 3 years she spent in New Jersey helping her "Uncle Tom" may well have provided the opportunity to learn the skills she used throughout her working life.
It's been great fun finding this stuff out - I'm now off to explore the census (and the streets of Passaic, NJ, courtesy of StreetView)! Thanks again for so much help - I really appreciate the trouble you've gone to.

All the best, Gill

P.S. If any other forum helpers are reading this, thanks to one and all. I'm constantly amazed at the time and effort you people give to us - and very grateful !

Gill - the reason for the "magnify 4 clicks" bit is if I just save the image as it comes up, in this case I get a 183KB file downloaded - if I magnify 1, 2 or 3 clicks, I get 568KB - if I magnify 4 or 5 clicks, I get 1538KB - I find this is adequate, so I've never tried more. The extra data downloaded gives me better resolution upon magnification of the downloaded file(s). Actually, unless you already know what the header says, it's quite hard to read at 4 clicks, but it's OK at 5 - if it's the saved file you're looking at, well it's just playing with the slider bar anyways.

Well - enough geeky stuff. Column header reads:
Attended school any time since September 1, 1909

I've been thinking - maybe it was a secretarial school she went to.


EDIT I knew it was somewhere:
http://www.ancestry.com/charts/census.aspx has a reformatted 1910 form - the page header info isn't quite the same - e.g., no one used URLs back in 1910, but that is the most readable bit of the form anyways.

mgnv - hi, and thanks for the latest post. Sorry it's taken me a while to spot it - checked this morning then was out for the rest of the day/evening. Great surprise to see a new post - and had fun looking up Summer St! Will prowl StreetView when I have more time.

It's the first time I've seen a US census form and I can't make out the date on the column relating to "been in school since ...." I thought it said 1902 (which would make it 8 years, rather than 8 months).
Adeline was 17 when she went to the US with her uncle in 1907, so she would have certainly been to school within the past few years - she was decently educated and had a life-long career as a Legal Secretary. I haven't pieced the whole story together yet, but I think Uncle Thomas Taylor ("Cailor") must have been recently widowed (his wife Elizabeth was alive in 1905) and needed looking after! Adeline's elder sister was already looking after the family in England (their father was also a widower - see 1911 census info), so Adeline was next in line for housekeeping duties.

I'm wittering on ..... sorry ..... it was a real bonus to get the link to the image (not to mention the instructions!!), so thanks very much indeed for your trouble.

Best rgds, Gill

Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po905unit#page/n125/mode/1up

With difficulty, one can make out the addy as 133 Summer St - weird penmanship. A look up on http://maps.google.com/ shows 133 Summer St lies between Myrtle Ave & Main Ave, a blk N of Autumn St in Passaic NJ.

Seems that she went to school within the past 8m - what's that about, eh?

Cheers Andy - and thanks for all the stuff you've passed on. We're going to have fun tomorrow!

Goodnight, its been fun doing the lookups. Hope your dad enjoys the story.

Andy

To all who've helped me tonight ..... a HUGE thank you.

I thought it would be just a small request for a bit of information - but it's lead to heaps of information and almost a whole story in itself.

But I have to say it's now way past my bed time (almost midnight here) so I really have to leave it at this point.

I'm hugely grateful for all the help and will certainly check back tomorrow, just in case there is any new info, but right now I just have to sign off .......

Gill

MC - this is getting better and better. I have lots of details of several of the Taylor family from Accrington.

This Thomas Taylor was my gt-gt-uncle. I never knew he had lived in the USA! I have his birth details and some early census references, then he "re-appears" in 1911 (by then a widower) living with his deceased sister's husband and children. Now I know what happened in between.

Many thanks for your help.

Thomas returning to UK in 1907?

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Thomas Taylor
Name: Thomas Taylor
Birth Date: abt 1852
Age: 55
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: Jun 1907
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name: Etruria
Search Ship Database: View the 'Etruria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 91187



Andy

MC - this is getting better and better. I have lots of details of several of the Taylor family from Accrington.

This Thomas Taylor was my gt-gt-uncle. I never knew he had lived in the USA! I have his birth details and some early census references, then he "re-appears" in 1911 (by then a widower) living with his deceased sister's husband and children. Now I know what happened in between.

Many thanks for your help.

Thomas and Elizabeth in 1901

1901 England Census
about Thomas Taylor
Name: Thomas Taylor
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Accrington
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Accrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 3857
Folio: 95
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Taylor 48 Bleacher in Print Works
Elizabeth Taylor 52
Hannah Moore 55 Boarder

Andy

This appears to be Thomas' first arrival in US:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Thomas Taylor < a bleacher
Arrival Date: 29 May 1903
Birth Year: abt 1853
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Oceanic

Travelling with Elizabeth age 53. They were from Accrington.
Onward destination his sister-in-law, also Elizabeth Taylor, at Carlton Hill, New Jersey.

Thank you MC - I seem to be gathering lots of pieces of the jigsaw - it'll be fun piecing them all together (hopefuly they'll fit the picture!).

Gill

In addition to the NY arrival info given, Thomas Taylor states he is going home, apparently to his wife. It's possible that the address in Passaic may be Summer Street.

Margee - thanks for this extra information .... it's all incredibly interesting (and totally unexpected). I'm very grateful to you for taking the time to look around for me.

Gill

According to the Ellis Island site which is free, Adeline Taylor was going to join her uncle, Thos Taylor, 133 Sweeney? St., Passaic, New Jersey and Thomas Taylor was going home to 133 Sweeney? St., Passaic. She gives name of nearest relative in England as brother Thos. Taylor, Windsor and he gives sister but no name, 11 Lee St., Lancaster.

http://www.ellisisland.org/

Oh wow! Brilliant! Thanks so much Andy.

I see she was down as "Adeline Taylor" (can't think why unless it was because she would have been a minor travelling with an older man - actually her mother's brother). I'd never have found her.

I can't wait to tell my Dad - he'll love all the extra info. Can't thank you enough.

Gill

Here you go....

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Thomas Taylor
Name: Thomas Taylor
Arrival Date: 7 Aug 1907
Birth Year: abt 1852
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Liverpool, England
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Carmania
Search Ship Database: Search the Carmania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

and

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Adeline Taylor
Name: Adeline Taylor
Arrival Date: 7 Aug 1907
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Windsor
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Carmania
Search Ship Database: Search the Carmania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Andy

Reckon so Andy ... now I just need to see if the New York Passenger Lists have an entry for Adeline Head in 1907 - the "year of immigration" to see if details match up. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
My Genes sub runs out in a couple of months so maybe I'll take out Ancestry instead - then I can dig a little deeper!.

Thanks for your help - it's opened up a new avenue of enquiry which is always exciting.

Regards, Gill

Age is the same, so is the occupation, must be the same chap.

He returned to the UK on same ship as Adeline and is listed next to her on the passenger list.

Andy