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hi folks, my first post and wondering if anyone can do a look up for me? im trying to find where a thomas steel may be buried...

this is the information I have so far...

thomas steel born around 1771 in quarnford,

married 1789 Sep 3 Thomas STEEL & Elizabeth SHATTAW Wit: John Downs, Henry Wood in alstonefield i managed to find his death certificate and im sure its the correct thomas steel

death in the sub district of longacre - leek union - county stafford died goldsitch moss, 1849 aged 79 occupation collier,

this may not be the correct thomas steel... as other information has him as a farmer...

if anyone can help or point me in the right direction that would be great :)

regards

peter steele

Just checking - this is him 1841? With wife & others. No sign of him with Esther & Martha (daughters?) 1851 as you know. I think it a bit unlikely he changed to a miner though!


1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Steel
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Allstonefield
Hundred: North Totmonslow
County/Island: Staffordshire

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Longnor

Thomas Steel 70

Eliz. Shattaw
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 03 Sep 1789 Alstonfield,?Stafford,?England
spouse: Thos. Steel


groom's name: Thos. Steel
bride's name: Eliz. Shattaw
marriage date: 03 Sep 1789
marriage place: Alstonfield,Stafford,England
indexing project (batch) number: M01041-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0547575 IT 1, 435763, 96872

Peter

This site may be able to point you in right direction for a grave for Thomas.

http://jadu.staffsmoorlands.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=150

http://www.staffsmoorlands.gov.uk/sm/council-services/parks-and-open-spaces/cemeteries.

The above site also has an online search. Cant see Thomas but possible for Esther d 1893 aged 81.

Sisters still living in Quarnford

1851 England Census
about Martha Steel Name: Martha Steel
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Where born: Great Moss, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Quarnford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 2008
Folio: 642
Page Number: 23

Household Members: Name Age
Martha Steel 44
Estha Steel 40

Vera

???
First name(s): Elizabeth. Last name: STEEL
Date of burial: 25 Aug 1801
Age at death:
Calculated year of birth: Not known
Place of burial: Quarnford
Dedication: Flash Chapel
County: Staffordshire

name(s):Thomas. Last name: STEEL
Date of burial 3 Jan 1836
Age at death: 64
Calculated year of birth: 1772
Place of burial Leek
Dedication: St Edward
County: Staffordshire

hey guys, sorry for the delay in getting back to you,



im new to the site and just to say thanks for the help, appreciated


Ive had trouble trying to find or pin point my Thomas steel... i researched as far back as to Abraham steel born in 1805, Abraham remarried late in his life to a Emma hunt. with this i could order his marriage certificate that stated his father as Thomas steel, deceased.

possibly the Thomas steel certificate I Ordered may not be the correct Thomas... or it may just be that he was a collier "miner" and the information that he was a farmer was incorrect.

hi brummiejan :) ha like the name, im also from Birmingham :) but yes thats the correct Thomas, im sure thats him. listed with his wife Elizabeth est birth around 1771

ive noticed that in my family tree the grandparents names are often passed down, either used as middle names, or first.

I started from Jesse steele was a police inspector, ive got old pictures of him passed down through the family, that how i then traced his father Abraham and then Thomas, but little stuck finding anything on Thomas.

hi anncardiff, thanks for that information really helpful, looks like Abraham and his father got married in the same church? but not buried.

has anyone got an idea as to the strong religious names used? Jesse, Abraham, etc?

Hi vera, will check those links out thankyou :) yes ive seen the names Esther and Martha before... could be daughters.... ive found most of my ancesters had up to ten children which i guess was common to have a big family.

Hi allotment, thanks again, that could be Thomas? what would the reason be that they would be buried separately?

thanks again for all your help, as I said new to this site and suprised with the feedback/help

pete

religious names were very common back then

this Abraham?

Abram. Steel
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 21 Jan 1805 MEERBROOK,?STAFFORD,?ENGLAND
parents: Thos. Steel,? Elizabeth


name: Abram. Steel
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Jan 1805
baptism/christening place: MEERBROOK,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
father's name: Thos. Steel
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C03937-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 421574

Emma Steel
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1839 Quarnford,? Staffordshire,? England
census: 1881 Sutton,? Cheshire,? England
spouse: Abraham Steel
children: Mary A Steel,? Emma Steel...


name: Emma Steel
age: 42
gender: Female
birth year: 1839
birthplace: Quarnford, Staffordshire, England
relationship to head of household: Wife
marital condition: Married
address: 25 Mill Lane
census place: Sutton, Cheshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341838
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 3496 / 59
page number: 1

Hi Ann


Yes that's Abraham, baptised 1805 Meerbrook, thats another way I managed to confirm his fathers name,

whats that information with emma steel? I know he remarried after betty "elizabeth" had died, and he remarried late in his life but unsure if he had children or what happened to emma?

pete

Someone gave me some information on thomas... this was the information children of jeremiah and mary
Abraham-1763
Jeremiah -1765
Mary –1768
Thomas—1770
Sarah—1772
James –1775
Isaac---1780

cant remember where he said the information was found? which parish records it would be..

could be my thomas?

Margaret parker had writen two books on quarnford and emailed me this

QUARNFORD RENTAL ROLLS

Rental of 1722 No mention of Steel family.

Rental 1768 Jeremiah
Joseph
Jonathon now Joseph

Rental 1775 Joseph Steel of Cambridge
Jeremiah Steel of Cuckold Corner
Widow Steel of Golden Hill

From a list of the Inhabitants of the Township of Quarnford 1789
Joseph Steel, wife possibly Martha
Mary Steel
Aaron Steel
Isaac Steel
Jeremiah Steel
Abraham Steel No place names mentioned.

Rental 1794 Joseph Steel of Cambridge
Jeremiah Steelof Cuckolds Corner
Widow Steel of Golden Hill
Isaac Steel

Rental 1802 Mary late Jeremiah of Cockolds Corner
Joseph of Cam Bridge
Aaron late Mary, Widow

Rental 1810
Joseph Steel
Abraham Steel
Aaron of Golden Hill
Isaac – has a wife unable to walk for 6 years and is very poor and therefore stands at ye old rent, paid in May 1809. He has a grandson brought up with him- John Steel- who contributes much to the comfort and support of ye old people. John is married and has one child. He is ye natural son of a daughter of Isaacs. Isaac wishes ye grandson to succeed him.

Rental 1846 Abraham
Joseph
Thomas George
still finding it difficult finding his grave site, but the above information is interesting but difficult to confirm if my relatives

hey vera, just checked, yes that's Abrahams sister "Martha" thats great :-)

Jujst a couple of queries:

who was the informant on the 1849 death cert for Thomas and
from which record did you get the information that Thomas was a Farmer.

On the 1841 census, Thomas is with Elizabeth, Martha, Esther and George Steel. It is possible that George is the son of Martha

parents: Martha Steel
name: George Brown Steel
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 24 Feb 1832
baptism/christening place: QUARNFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
mother's name: Martha Steel
indexing project (batch) number: C03947-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 435829

1841 England Census
about George Steel Name: George Steel
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Allstonefield
Hundred: North Totmonslow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Longnor
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1003
Book: 6
Folio: 12
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
George Steel 9

Vera

hey Vera,

thanks for the information on george and martha, never seen that information before :-)

regards thomas, i made a mstake it was abraham thats listed as a farmer... ive tried to look at the original record 1841 census that you found with thomas but cant quite read what his occupation is? could it be collier? as what ive got on the death certificate...

I Actually found his death record on this site, I then ordered the certificate,

leek union, sub district of longacre, died at goldstitch, 17th of march 1849 aged 79 im guessing this is the correct thomas steel and ordered the correct certificate?

pete

sorry the informant was shown as a joseph steel (hard to read) can we upload pictures on this site?




pete

It looks like a farmer in 1841 but if it's a dot above an i then it could be farrier at a push but certainly not collier??

bit of a mystery what his occupation could be.. hard to read, I also cant quite read what it states on the death certificate, again looks like collier or farrier, i can only read "ier" and unsure what the first part reads.

His son abraham was listed as a farmer...


thomas steel is a little elusive!

I agreewith Allotment definitely not collier which is listed for person above on 1841. Other farmers on the sheet and it looks the same to me. Could be a farrier but not sure one small area would have too many of them. As he lives in areas where there are collieries could have changed occupations.

It seems unusual that a Joseph was the informant as the 1841 has him living with family.

I will pm you my e mail so that you can send dc to me on attach if you like
May be cause of death could give some indication to occupation.

Vera

Have seen the bc. Looks like Collier to me for Thomas' occupation.

Can you confirm that you have seen Jesse's marriage cert and the occupation of Abraham

Was there an occupation for Thomas on Abraham's marriage cert


Vera

Hi vera,


ive not seen jesse's marriage certificate, just information ive found on the census, also the information ive been given for abrahams marriage certificate, as he remarried to emma hunt late in his life in sutton, states father thomas steel, "deceased" if I was to order these whats the best way to order death and birth certificates?


pete