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Thanks for all your help. Not sure now wether to get the marriage certificate of ann, just noticed on the parish clerks that it says fathers name of ann as mary walsh, walsh indeed. !!! She had already passed away , and was called macintosh on her death. grrr , foiled again!!!! Would they be allowed to do that.? and on the official certificate from 1864, would it still have mary, her mother down as the father like on the church certificate? Well i still may get it , just to see. ! Shes a hard woman to track !!! :-|

Now I could be just trying to make this fit as Edmunds parents marriage?



England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: Edward Hargreaves
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Mary Welsh
Marriage Date: 9 Apr 1798
Marriage Place: Altham, Lancashire, England


Could it be Edmund and Walsh?????


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Edmund Hargreaves
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1838
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 21
Page: 110 (

thanks everyone for all your input. !! im going to have something to eat now, been staring at screen for hours already, so addictive this game. ! Yes, will let you know. But i have a feeling that for the fathers name of ann , there will be a gap. And as she was born in 1834, cant get the birth certificate. Have found who i thought may be her in altham as ann welsh, mother mary welsh. But thats no help either , as there is no father listed. Least i have a suggested father for my john. William whitaker ! I noticed that the same day and the next wedding to a mary ahrgreaves marrying a george rushton is a william whitaker marrying someone. Cant remember who now, in altham, but that would be funny , think in 1823. If her previous childs father and her were getting married at the same time. ?
but not sure if that mary ahrgreaves was her anyway. Just a coincidence perhaps?

thanks everyone for all your input. !! im going to have something to eat now, been staring at screen for hours already, so addictive this game. ! Yes, will let you know. But i have a feeling that for the fathers name of ann , there will be a gap. And as she was born in 1834, cant get the birth certificate. Have found who i thought may be her in altham as ann welsh, mother mary welsh. But thats no help either , as there is no father listed. Least i have a suggested father for my john. William whitaker ! I noticed that the same day and the next wedding to a mary ahrgreaves marrying a george rushton is a william whitaker marrying someone. Cant remember who now, in altham, but that would be funny , think in 1823. If her previous childs father and her were getting married at the same time. ?
but not sure if that mary ahrgreaves was her anyway. Just a coincidence perhaps?

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1834
Christening Date: 8 Jun 1834
Christening Place: Altham, Lancashire, England
Mother's name: Mary Welsh

OOOh , you may have something there gins. Well done you. !!! that could answer it all. Mary welsh, walsh, could have given birth to mary pre marriage to edmund, so all the time i have been casting aspersions at mary walsh, and it was her mother that was the problem. You could be right.,, thatnks for that.. Maybe i could work on that. It would expalin the walsh name.welsh name i guess. or maybe edmund is not even her father , marys i mean. Maybe mary macintosh/walsh is a child out of wedlock of mary welsh/walsh and then she married edmund. mmmm :-D

OOOh , you may have something there gins. Well done you. !!! that could answer it all. Mary welsh, walsh, could have given birth to mary pre marriage to edmund, so all the time i have been casting aspersions at mary walsh, and it was her mother that was the problem. You could be right.,, thatnks for that.. Maybe i could work on that. It would expalin the walsh name.welsh name i guess. or maybe edmund is not even her father , marys i mean. Maybe mary macintosh/walsh is a child out of wedlock of mary welsh/walsh and then she married edmund. mmmm :-D

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Groom's Name: Moses Haworth
Groom's Birth Date: 1834
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 30
Bride's Name: Ann Walsh
Bride's Birth Date: 1835
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 29
Marriage Date: 12 Mar 1864
Marriage Place: Altham, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Haworth
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name: Mary Walsh
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M39220-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1278856
Reference Number:

Marriage: 12 Mar 1864 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
Moses Haworth - 30 Collier Bachelor of Altham
Ann Walsh - (X), 29 Rover Spinster of Altham
Groom's Father: Thomas Haworth, Collier
Bride's Father: Mary Walsh, Hand Loom Weaver
Witness: Charlotte Haworth; Thomas Macintosh
Married by Banns by: Wm Sharp
Register: Marriages 1863 - 1886, Page 8, Entry 16

thanks gins and safc. Gins, we still have edmund senior alive on the 1841, but that does not make any difference. it wont spoil the new solution. !!! i will take a look now at that altham marriage. well spotted, dont know why i didnt see that myself. Well done. !! so mary has always been a welsh/walsh maybe? thats why she just had john and then ann while still being unmarried, and her first marriage was to john macintosh . It seems that ever generation on that line has had a couple of children out of wedlock then married someone else. HMPPHH ha ha

well, things are looking even better, Have just found a mary welsh in october 1797 being baptised, illegitimate daughter of mary welsh, in altham, saying she was born on 17 august 1797. So we could have something. !!! It would explain such a lot !!! No sign of any [parents names for mary welsh and edward/edmund, but we cant have everything !!! im happy that it may be the expalanation. Thankyou so much to everyone who helped. !!! and especially gins who spotted that marriage. !! im not presuming its a definate, that would be silly..... but....... :-D