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My Great aunty she told me of the twins a few years ago, unfortunately she didn't have anything else but that it was a boy who died the day they were born and a girl who lived for a few days, and that her older brother (my grandfather) was born 12 months later on that day.
Joe

Mmmm just wondering on cause of death. If they lived in Poplar / Bow - why were the birth(s) in Marylebone district? It would be interesting to know the place of birth.

As Kucinta says maybe there is an indication that Barbara E was a twin on the birth certificate. If the Birth Cert is correct (and everything so far ties up with what your Great Aunty said) then perhaps the death cert might give more information on cause of death.

I think it is odd that there are certs for the girl (If it is Barbara E) and not for the boy

I think the births and deaths should have been registered in poplar

POPLAR REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : London (1837–1965), Greater London (1965).
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.1.1966 (to become part of Poplar & Bethnal Green registration district).
Sub-districts : Bow, Bow & Bromley, Bromley, Poplar.
GRO volumes : II (1837–51), 1c (1852–1946), 5D (1946–65).
Registers now held by : Tower Hamlets.

Roy

Roy

I agree - Poplar / Bow come under Tower Hamlets (most of my certs are from there) but the only birth I could find is the Marylebone Reg District - wondering if the birth/s started in Tower Hamlets but mother was rushed to another hospital in Marylebone Reg District - not sure what Hospital that might be

EDIT: Just checked Lost Hospitals website - there is this one - maybe they were visiting someone when it was time to give birth!

http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/queencharlottemarylebone.html

Part of the problem is that the exact DOB is known,

Whilst we do remember birthdays because its when we remember to send a card, but over the years the actual your of birth can often be confused

although in this case it looks more like the Boy was possibly a stillbirth and that would explain why no matching birth and death is listed on the index

other than that i am out of ideas for now

Roy

Yes, I've looked at the link you gave on stillbirth - and the mother may have actually delivered the boy - hence the 'he was born' but the would be recorded in stillbirths, only one more thought I have - and would tie in with why it may be a Maternity Hospital birth rather than a 'general' (St Andrews, Poplar) hospital birth is if they suspected there may be birth complications - - maybe twins would be considered complications - would they have been able to tell that in 1931?

The mother may not have known she was having twins until they were born, If they were full term they would have probably been born at aprrox 8 months

I'm not a doctor but think midwifes could tell if it was twins? back then because their would more than the one heart beat? I think the only reasons i can think for a child to be born in hospital in those days was first if they where expecting complications and the other is simply they could afford it

Roy

Good point Jax, When did the use of midwifes become norm? and a profession

I do know that the mother came from a pretty well off family, although I understand she didn't have a lot to do with her family when she "married beneath herself". I know that her brother didn't take well to her marriage but am unsure of her parents, although I do know she was not included in his will.

Bit of an ancient profession http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwifery

JannieAnnie, I meant as a registered professional with regulations which i think only happened after WW1? ish

Roy

I remember an episode in call the midwife where a young girl had triplets, which she was unaware of...not sure if she had seen the midwife before hand though...that was in the late 50s

There's this

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QxQjkIrKjkcC&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=maternity+and+child+welfare+act+1918&source=bl&o

and there is this

http://www.rcm.org.uk/midwives/features/the-midwives-act-1902-an-historical-landmark/

Service is not available online. You have to apply for a form - which you need to complete - helpful if you know the actual DOD and location. Costs the same as a birth cert.

My mums cousin had a baby 60 yesrs ago - her hubby and brother-in-law told her family she had imagined it. We got a doc for her and she died happy. :-D :-D :-D

Received in a personal message this morning at 10.54 AM, as follows:

"There is a death for Barbara E & Richard both under Marylebone London 1931 on Findmypast. There isn't a death recorded for a Richard on BMD
so he could be the other twin?
desira"

EDIT BY ME: I think this birth has a different mother and is in an earlier quarter of 1931

I Have just checked the actual image on freebmd for dec quarter 1931 and Barbara E is listed but the only Richard listed is a Richard D mmn Green in Norwich

It always pays to check any image that has been transcribed

I think the only way to solve this now is to buy the birth cert for Barbara E to confirm parents and then take it from their

Roy

Do you know where your grandfather was born?
Could the twins be buried in a nearby churchyard or graveyard?
A check of registers locally might find a burial for them.

It is quite likely they are buried together.

Gwyn

Grandfather was born in Royal Free Hospital as was his younger sister.
The family was living in Poplar at that point I believe.
Not sure which if any church actively attended by the family, mother was raised lax Methodists and other side mixed Roman catholic and COE

Will see if I can find anything in burial records online for Poplar churches

Thank you everyone for your help
Joe

I looked into Richard yesterday and discounted it so didn't post

This is the death

Deaths Sep 1931 (>99%)
Andrews Richard 0 Marylebone 1a 501

Birth

Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Andrews Richard Murphy Marylebone 1a 705

Jude

I think I may just have to bite the bullet with this and order Barbara E's birth cert and see what it says.
Thank you again to everyone for their help and advice
Joe