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Hi, am trying to find information on the above two. Michael I'm not sure where he was born but I believe it was in or around 1825 in Ireland. Julia whose surname on their daughter's birth cert is given as Knowd. Anne/Annie was born on 22 Sept 1865 in Doneany. The District is given as Athy, Monastervan in the County of Kildare. I believe there was another sister, possibly Alice or Alicia, not sure if she was a bit older or younger. Michael, her father, is given as a Farmer/ I'll try and list what I know.

On the 1901 Census Julia Curran nee Knowd is given as being 71 years old Roman Catholic born County Kildare and a widow so obviously Michael, her husband has died but I don't know when or when he or Julia were born.

I have searched and searched but cannot find a birth, marriage or death for Michael and Julia. I found their daughter Anne's birth on family search and the parents are given as Michael and Julia but I can't find anyone with the unusual name of Knowd. I can scan and attach the birth cert so someone could look at Julia's surname though if necessary. But Julia is definitely given as Knowd on family search.

Julia is not listed on the 1911 Census so I assume she died obviously between 1901 and 1911. The place she is living on the 1901 Census is Kilmalogue, Portarlington North, Kings County. She is living there with my great grandparents Edward and Anne who is Michael and Julia's daughter. In 1911 my great grandparents are living in Clifton Terrace, Cork No: 3 Urban, Cork and Julia is not with them.

Sorry, I hope this post is not too confusing.

Any help with this one would be much appreciated.

Kind regards

Kathryn

The name Knowd appears to be fairly common in Ireland, if that's any help

Only Anne's baptism appears among the records on Ancestry

Thank you Reggie. Not sure how I can attach a copy of Anne's birth cert on here so someone else can look at the districts and surnames etc.

By the way GR is not sending an email when one receives a reply for some reason. It has been like this for at least a week now so have to go into my watched threads every now and again to see if there is a reply so I apologise if there is a gap in replying to anyone.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Kathryn...PM Annie's BC to me it should come through ok.
Will be back later ....

Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911

Name: Anne Curran
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1865
Birth Place: Monasterevin, Kildare, Ireland
Father's Name: Michael Curran
Mother's Name: Julia Knowd
FHL Film Number: 101117

Hiya, thank you for that will do, it was you who was kindly helping me with the Hollaran/Browne query before. Hope you don't mind helping me again it is much appreciated. I have so many ancestors and so many queries.

Am sending birth cert by way of PM.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi again Reggie, thank you for that, I'd just sent a PM to Eringobragh1916 attaching a copy of the birth cert. Why now is it so difficult to locate the marriage of Michael and Julia? As before I have searched and searched, not that I'm an expert in this field but cannot find their marriage and then try and trace their births. Also Julia's death between 1901 and 1911. I'm afraid I get very confused with the districts and parishes etc, not that it takes much to confuse me nowadays.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Just a thought...........does it say 'formerly Knowd' for Julia on the birth cert?

Hi Reggie, sorry for long delay been to the shops. Yes it does say formerly Knowd. Am just looking at the cert again and am wondering if it is a different spelling but then you found Anne's birth with Julia's surname as Knowd.

Kind regards

Kathryn

hi kathryn

you could try here

rootsireland.ie

Hi, thank you for that link. Sadly you need credits for this, I would buy them after looking into how much they cost if I definitely knew a year exactly otherwise it could be really expensive. Having said that if this is the route I am going to have to take then so be it but obviously could do without it.

Once again thank you for the link.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

Duneany and Monasterevin are two separate, adjoining Civil Parishes in Kildare.

From the Griffiths valuation there is a Denis Curran recorded at Duneaney -Townland, Duneany -Parish, Athy -Union, Offaly, West - Union, Kildare- County.

This is the only Curran or Knowd family in either Duneany or Monasterevin Civil Parishes at the time of the Valuation in 1852 and may be extended family father or brother.

Griffiths Valuation at askaboutireland.ie

Hi, thank you for this information, am going to have a look now, I haven't come across a Denis before but as you say he maybe extended family etc.

Thank you for your time.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi all, have just found a piece of paper that says marriage of Michael + Julia, 2 August 1858 County Kildare. Not sure where that information came from but have just looked and still can't see anything. Not sure if this is any help to anyone in searching. There again not sure if this relates to Michael and Julia although it says it does but it doesn't say whether this was a catholic wedding or other.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

Received Certificate thanks. Not convinced it is Knowd but will check later Griffiths valuation for families in the area for possible names ending OWD.

The civil registration of births commenced for Catholics in 1864 and as I have found with my own family returns/registrations seem to have been done via an unrelated though within the locality parish. This may be due to the system being in its infancy, the spouses connection to Monasterevin or any number of other reasons. There was at this time a renewal of church building throughout Ireland and there may have not been a local church available!!

Off to the Pub for a while.

Hi again, thanks for your reply, regarding Knowd, I think I said before I found on family search.org the birth of Anne with the father as Michael Curran and mother Julia Knowd and that's why I assumed (and I know one shouldn't) but as you say the writing of Julia's surname could be determined as something else. Always good to have a spare pair of eyes. Thanks for your continued help.

Enjoy the Pub.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

Townland search for Monasterevin resulted in :-

Thomas Dowd - Kennys Alley
Thomas Dowd - Oghill
Michael Dowd - Oldgrange

No other surnames come close

If you go to askaboutireland.ie and do a placename search for the civil parishes which border Duneany noted below in Co Kildare, the results will display all the townlands in that civil parish. Enter the Civil parish name in placename and select Co Kildare and the same parish name from the scroll down menus for county and parish. Click on occupants and you will be able to compare the name Knowd with occupants of each townland. Only if you have the time and patience.

Civil Parishes - HARRISTOWN - KILDANGAN - LACKAGH - MOONE - WALTERSTOWN .- KILDARE.

Good Luck.

Hiya, thank you so much for all that information and after you've been to the pub, hope you enjoyed!! I will have a look tomorrow as am expecting visitors anytime soon. Thanks once again for all your time and help it is much appreciated. I have put the feelers out on Ancestry as well about the surname to see if anyone on there can decifer it as the K in what looks like Knowd is different from the K in Kildare on the cert.

Hopefully will get there one day.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

Much prefer the Foxysoxy tag!! Have you dismissed the Gonoude connection from the certificate for Alicia?

Hi Kathryn,

I have searched the LDs site without surname/christian name option for marriages 1857/1860 using only parish details. The most striking thing was the variation in spelling of common Irish surnames from that which appears in say the west of Ireland, not surprising given the English influence in the area east of the Shannon.

The name Curran often appears as Currin and given this have searched the Irishroots site to narrow down potentials . I have now after some time narrowed it down to one:- Michael Currin Julia Noud 1858 Co.Kildare. If the original name was Gonoude and something has been lost in translation we will never know.

Other variations used with Julia as wife are Currran, Curren,Curreen for +/-3 yrs 1858 for the entire island. The system returned an additional marriage for 1858 and when using a complimentary surname like Dowd, Knowd or similair would normally return a positive result. In this case it did not.

When finances allow bear in mind the spelling variation.