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Good morning, what a star you are. I had visitors last night so it would have been rude of me to leave them and come to my computer. I am amazed at the results. Someone on Ancestry has given me an email addy for the IFHF site and said I should contact them obviously with your results. Does the marriage you found have a volume and page number so that I can perhaps send off for the certificate please? I mentioned before I am useless with searching parishes etc, trying to teach me this is like me being back at school and that doesn't work now unfortunately, so long ago. Call me thick if you like, I don't mind one bit. I am going out soon and then have to take my car for its MOT, perhaps I need one too!!! I'll be back this afternoon at some point to check if you have kindly replied to me.

Once again many thanks for your time and help in this matter.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy (Is that better)

Hi again, car MOT'd and passed thank god. Someone on Ancestry has now come up with the same marriage but still not sure how to apply for the cert ie do I need a volume and page number to apply for the same so that they don't have to search for it?

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Hi Kathryn,

Firstly there will be no Volume/Page numbers to quote as these relate to Civil Registrations , in this instance post 1863 as it was a Catholic marriage.

You can contact what is most likely the Catholic parish of Monasterevan in Kildare, to clarify what they are prepared to supply to you but I don't feel it will be a copy marriage cert as you have in the UK,at best a copy of the marriage entry from their registers.

My understanding is the IFHF(Rootsireland) in an arrangement with the Church have taken up the roll of being the primary source for such requests and what they supply is a document which you can download transcribed from the original document.

What you may get back from the Monasterevan Parish may simply be a referral to IFHF to resolve your inquiry, but hey you never know. I must just add I have been quite happy with the documents I have received.

I hope this helps.

Hiya, have just purchased credits for that site and have the marriage details. Unfortunately it does not give me the address, age or the names of the parents on either side. It does give me the witnesses names though. Blast. I was hoping to get a bit more from it than that.

Will PM over to you if that's okay.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Hi again, sorry to be a pain. I am now wondering if I have gone to the right site to obtain the marriage records as I have just re read your last message but am not sure what I have is transcribed from the original document as surely it would have the details on it that are missing from the details I now have.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Hi Kathryn,

The record you have looks to be the one suggested and as you said the lack of detail is unfortunate . It may be the case that the christian names could not be transcribed due to condition of the record or the written word. You could contact the parish , V. Rev. Barry Larkin PP at [email protected] detailing what you have from the IFHF and whether he can assist any further.

Not sure if you noticed but the Catholic parish is Suncroft and not Monasterevan .As this was the only Michael Curran to be married to a Julia Noud, Knowd or similar over a wide time period should not cause concern as Suncroft borders Monasterevan.

I will look at more closely when time allows later today.

Hi again, last one tonight and will leave you in peace. Am sure everyone will be glad when I go back to work next week and you all get some peace. Don't get me wrong I am most grateful for all the help, time and effort that's been put into this one and obviously I will not rest until hopefully we can get a few more details.

Will be back in the morning to check for any messages, I then have to go out and will be back tomorrow afternoon.

You are so kind.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Hi Kathryn,

If we accept the 1858 marriage is correct, which I am 99 % sure, it gives us a birth window prior to 1842 for the couple.

Between 1812-1842 there were 47 births to the various Noud families, 39 in Kildare the remainder Dublin. For this period there was only one Julia Noud birth found in the IFHF database which was in 1824 in surprisingly Kildare. I have cross referenced this birth with potential fathers from the Griffiths Valuation and none match. This could be down to many things fathers death prior to the valuation, fathers details not recorded or something else. The Noud families with the exception of a James in Levitstown are concentrated on the borders of the three Catholic Parishes of Suncroft, Monasterevan and Narraghmore( Cookstown and Kilmeade).
Your options could be to order the FHS microfilms for these parishes and go to town on Noud families of Kildare, Records seem to date from 1808 and appear largely complete. You may have to manage your expectations if you order the cert as details may be sparse
The family name is not common in Ireland and there are a number of message board postings which you may wish to look into for help.
As for Michael Curran including variants there were 72 M C births in Ireland 1812-42, only one in Kildare though, in 1825. Again the same situation exists should you decide to purchase the cert.

Not much more I can do.

Hi, you have been an absolute treasure with all your information, I thank you so much for your time, effort and help. I have written to suncroft parish giving all the details I can and just hope and pray they will respond. If they do and anything further comes to light then I will let you know.

Just one last thing and I will leave you alone to help others, you say there are a number of message board postings that I could look at, where are they please?

Once again your help is very much appreciated. Take care. If you can point me in the right direction for the message board postings that would be great.

Kind regards


Kathryn