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I am trying to find info on Frederick Lowry born c1843 in Stepney.

I believe he 'married' Beatrice Innes in around 1886. They went on to have:

Beatrice Lowry in 1887
John Mine(o)rs Lowry in 1888
Stanley Lowry in 1891
May Lowry in 1894
Frederick Lowry in 1897
Edwin Lowry in 1899
George Lowry in 1903

All the children were born in Bermondsey, London, sometimes recorded as St Olave, Southwark.

In the 1901 census he is described as a head of the household at 5 Edmund Place, Bermonsdey age 58 and married. Occupation, harness maker.

I believe Frederick died in 1903 at St Olave age 60.

I can find no record Frederick's birth in 1843 nor the marriage to Beatrice Innes which I believe took place c1886.

Any information about this family would be most appreciated.

I believe Beatrice Innes' parents were Robert Innes (born Hampshire c1830) and Emma (no maiden name known as present) c1832 in Berkshire.

I have no information whatsoever about Frederick Lowry born 1843 nor his parents/siblings etc.

I would appreciate any assistance, I have come up against a brick wall and it is most frustrating. Fingers crossed, thanks.

Lyn

can only find this one in 1861

LOWRY, George Head Married M 38 1823 Furniture Dealer
Tregony, Cornwall VIEW
LOWRY, Mary Wife Married F 38 1823
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
LOWRY, Fredrick Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Furniture Dealer
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
LOWRY, Julia Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
LOWRY, George Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
LOWRY, Albert Son M 6 1855 Scholar
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
LOWRY, Thomas Son M 1 1860
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
DISSON, Elizabeth Mother In Law Widow F 62 1799
Bloomsbury, Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 78

Folio: 160

Page: 3

Registration District: Marylebone

Civil Parish: St Marylebone

Municipal Borough: St Marylebone

Address: 15, Homer Street, St Marylebone

County: London

is this beatrice 1911
LOWRY, Beatrice Ellen Head Widow F 47 1864 Bermondsey VIEW
LOWRY, Beatrice Ellen Daughter Single F 24 1887 Book Folder Bermondsey VIEW
LOWRY, John Miners Son Single M 22 1889 Printers Packer Bermondsey VIEW
LOWRY, Stanley Son Single M 20 1891 Ironmonger's Labourer Bermondsey VIEW
LOWRY, May Daughter Single F 17 1894 Envelope Folder Bermondsey VIEW
LOWRY, Fred Son M 14 1897 Messenger Bermondsey VIEW
LOWRY, Edwin Son M 10 1901 School Bermondsey VIEW
LOWRY, George Henry Son M 7 1904 School Bermondsey VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 1867

Reference: RG14PN1867 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED2 SN270

Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey)

Sub District: Bermondsey

Enumeration District: 2

Parish: Bermondsey

Address: 6 Edmund Place Kipling Street B Dsey S E

County: London

this looks like Frederick (note one of his christian names) -


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Frederick John Miner Lowry
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1836
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1836
Father's Name: Edward Weston Lowry
Mother's Name: Sarah Lowry
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint George In The East, Register of baptisms, P93/GEO, Item 016.

same occupation as 1901 -


1881

RG number: RG11
Piece: 561
Folio: 130
Page: 33
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: St Mary Magdalen
Parish: Bermondsey
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 13, Grange Walk, Bermondsey
County: London, Surrey



LOWRY, Frederick Head Widower M 45 1836 Harness Maker
Stepney, Middlesex
LOWRY, Frederick John Son Single M 21 1860 Harness Maker
Bermondsey, Surrey

Frederick Lowry
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1843 Stepney,? London
census: 31 Mar 1901 Bermondsey,? London,? Middlesex,? England


name: Frederick Lowry
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 58
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Stepney, London
record type: Household
registration district: St Olave Southwark
sub-district: Bermondsey
ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
civil parish: Bermondsey
county: London, Middlesex

Beatrice E Innes
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Bermondsey,? London
census: 1891 England


name: Beatrice E Innes
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Female
age: 7
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Bermondsey, London
record type: Household
registration district: St Olave Southwark
sub-district: St James Bermondsey
ecclesiastical parish: St Annes
civil parish: Bermondsey
county: London, Middlesex

1841

RG number: HO107
Piece: 713
Book/Folio: 8/5
Page: 3
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Mile End Old Town, Lower
Parish: Stepney
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: Pleasant Row Pleasant Place, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, Lower, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex



LOWRY, Edward M 27 1814 (occupation - Saddler)
LOWRY, Sarah F 24 1817 Middlesex
>>>>>LOWRY, Frederick M 4 1837 Middlesex
LOWRY, Emily F 3 1838 Middlesex
LOWRY, Edward M 1 1840 Middlesex

always respond on here rather than by message - much better :-)

Lynette says the one I posted for Frederick seems to be the correct one

Thanks for all your help. I have replied to some of you individually by message. It would appear Choccy has found Frederick born 1836.

Although this does call into question the 'marriage' with Beatrice in 1886. Beatrice was born in 1863 and still having children in 1903.

If anyone has access to the baptisms I would appreciate a look up for a Frederick John Minners Lowry born 1860 St George Southwark. This could be the Frederick who married Beatrice. Their dates of birth are more compatible.

1836 Frederick John Miner Lowry could be 1860 Frederick John Minners Lowry dad.

Thanks for all your help.

Not seeing a baptism, just this birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Frederick John Kinners Lowry
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1860
Registration district: St George Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 132

The Frederick John Lowry b1860 died in 1913

Name: Frederick J Lowry
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 304 (click to see others on page)

Marie Celeste
Thanks for that. I was hoping for confirmation of his parents in the baptism records but perhaps this is the most I will get for now. I am most grateful for your quick response. This may still be the chap I am after. Many thanks indeed.

Might Frederick John already be married to someone else?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Frederick John Lowry - Harness Maker
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: Alice Tooze
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1885
Parish: Hatcham Park All Saints
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Frederick Lowry
Spouse Father Name: James Tooze
Register Type: Parish Register

EDIT - No this would be the son, but will leave in case it's useful.

Potty

This maybe the same chap. Thanks for the info.

Lyn

Marie Celeste
I am wondering whether Frederick John Lowry age 25 harness maker already married to Alice Tooze in 1885 is still the chap I am looking for.

I have Frederick John Miner Lowery 'married' to Beatrice in around 1886 but no record of that marriage. He too is described as a harness maker.

This is Frederick 1860 in 1911 with Alice

Name: Fredrick John Larrey
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 122 York Road, Lambeth S E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: HARNESS MAKER
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 1951
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredrick John Larrey 51
Alice Larrey 48
Fredrick James Larrey 19

HeyJudeB4Beatles
Thanks for info. I note the new spelling of the surname. Said with an East End accent not much difference to Lowry.

I think this is Frederick 1860 - and he is not a son but a grandson


Name: Frederick Lowry
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward Lowry
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey
Civil parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Mile End New Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 513
Folio: 53
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Lowry 56
George Lowry 21
Mary Lowry 17
Sarah Lowry 8
Joseph Lowry 14
Betsey Lowry 2
Frederick Lowry 11

It would be good to find Frederick senior in 1861/1871 with his first wife. And where on earth are they in 1891

In 1911 Beatrice Ellen does point to a marriage in 1886

Jude

Jude - just looked at the original of that 1871 and it does say Frederick is the son (odd)?

This is that family in 1861 (Edward's birthplace matches)

LOWERY, Edward Head Married M 46 1815 Cornwall, Tregonay
LOWERY, Sarah Wife Married F 34 1827 Harness Maker St Annes, Middlesex
LOWERY, Frank Son M 13 1848 London, Middlesex
LOWERY, George Son M 11 1850 London, Middlesex
LOWERY, James Son M 8 1853 London, Middlesex
LOWERY, Mary Daughter F 6 1855 London, Middlesex
LOWERY, Joseph Son M 4 1857 London, Middlesex
LOWERY, Anne Daughter F 2 1859 London, Middlesex
LOWERY, Thomas Son M 0 (2W) 1861 London, Middlesex

Piece: 267 Folio: 96 Page: 40
Registration District: Whitechapel
Civil Parish: Whitechapel

Address: 14, Dowsons Place, Whitechapel County: London

BUT - the baby that I would have expected to be Frederick is Thomas!!