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I notice that the George Lowry in the 1861 that Maddie posted, and the Edward above are both from the same place.

I know it does say son MC, but it's just a hunch that this is Frederick junior (and therefore a grandson). This is definitely Frederick senior's father. He seems to have married two Sarah's (Martin and Wooden according to a tree on A).

My GUESS is Frederick senior is widowed for sure in 1881..maybe he was already widowed in 1871 and that's why Frederick junior is with "grandfather". Problem is can't find any marriage for Frederick senior not to Frederick's mother or to Beatrice Ellen Innes :-(

No, I think your hunch is right Jude.

George from Maddie's 1861

name: George Lowry
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 16 Apr 1816
baptism/christening place: CUBY WITH TREGONY,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
father's name: Joseph Lowry
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C05333-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number:

and Frederick senior's father

name: Edward Wason Lawry
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 15 Sep 1814
baptism/christening place: CUBY WITH TREGONY,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
father's name: Joseph Lawry
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C02227-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 254235, 254236

i.e. brothers...

Marie Celeste/Jude

Could it be that since the baby was only 2 weeks old at the time of the 1861 census they subsequently decided to change the name to Frederick? Are either of you able to find a baptism record for Frederick Lowry born 1861 Middlesex/London?

Thanks for all your help.

Lyn

Hi Lynette, I think Jude is right when she suspected that Frederick on the 1871 was the grandson and not the son.

Already mentioned on page 1 that I'd looked for a baptism but could only find the birth record. Might be worth sending for that birth certificate.

This is the only one ( that was posted earlier)


Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
Lowry Frederick John Minners St. George S. 1d 132

You are looking for Frederick senior - in 1901 he gave year of birth as 1843 but the christening records show it has to be 1836. And I am sure it was this Frederick that "married" Beatrice though I cannot for the life of me find a marriage for them.

It was a second "marriage" for him with Frederick being the child of the first. And again I cannot for the life of me find that marriage.

They are missing in crucial censuses...Frederick wife and Frederick in 1861 and Frederick Beatrice and family in 1891. I have searched EVERYTHING!!!

Beatrice Ellen (junior) marries in December 1911 and her father Frederick's occupation is "dead". One of the witnesses was M Lowry (sister May/Mary perhaps)

The 1841 census confirms he couldn't have been born 1843 (perhaps that was a ruse to reduce age gap?)

LOWRY, Edward M 27 1814 occ Sadler (not born in County)
LOWRY, Sarah F 24 1817 Middlesex
LOWRY, Frederick M 4 1837 Middlesex
LOWRY, Emily F 3 1838 Middlesex
LOWRY, Edward M 1 1840 Middlesex

Piece: 713 Book/Folio: 8/5 Page: 3
Registration District: Stepney
Civil Parish: Stepney
Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address: Pleasant Row Pleasant Place, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, Lower, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

MarieCeleste/Jude

Wanted to say a great thanks to you both for your help today. I do not believe I would have got this far on my own, being a newbie. Most appreciated. :-)

Lyn