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Please can anyone find the parents of Ernest Hartley Born 1884 Nottingham he was married to Florence James and in 1911 they were living at 15 Cyril Avenue Bobbers Mill Nottingham.
Any information on his parents and grandparents or other family members would be a great help.
Thank you
Sheila

1911 census transcription details for: 15 Cyril Avenue Bobbers Mill Nottingham

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN20653 RG78PN1232 RD430 SD5 ED20 SN290
Reg. District: Nottingham
Sub District: Bulwell
Parish: Nottingham
Enum. District: 20
Address: 15 Cyril Avenue Bobbers Mill Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HARTLEY, Ernest Head Married M 27 1884 Tobacco Manufacturer Labourer Nottingham Notts
HARTLEY, Florence Wife Married F 26 1885 Nottingham Notts

MArried under 1 year no children born alive

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: HARTLEY, Ernest J
Registration district: Basford
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1910
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 7B
Page no: 277
MarriageFinder: Ernest J Hartley married one of the following people:

SEYMOUR, Florence
JAMES, Florence A
LINCOLN, Albert D

Maybe


1891 England Censusabout Ernest J Hartley
Name: Ernest J Hartley
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Hartley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hartley
Gender: Male
Where born: Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Gringley on the Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: Gringley
Town: Gringley on the Hill
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: East Retford
Sub-registration district: Gringley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2638
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hartley 40
Elizabeth Hartley 34
John Henry Hartley 13
Fred Hartley 11
Ernest J Hartley 8
John Hartley 70


Andy

You really need his marriage cert to see who his father is.

Maybe this is him in 1901 ???


name: Ernest Hartley
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 18
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Retford, Nottinghamshire
record type: Household
registration district: East Retford
sub-district: Gringley
ecclesiastical parish: Gringley On The Hill St Peter & St Paul
civil parish: Gringley On The Hill
county: Nottinghamshire

2 births nottinghamshire for Ernest Hartley 1883-1886 both with initial J
as it happens
Ernest Joseph Sep 1883 Nottingham 7b 314 (mainly city centre areas, plus Lenton, Sneinton and Radford)
Ernest Severn Sep 1886 Basford 7b 153 (spans Notts/Derby borders)

Another possible

1891 census transcription details for: 32, Pym Street, St Mary, Nottingham
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RG number: RG12
Piece: 2697
Folio: 128
Page: 33
Reg. District: Nottingham
Sub District: Nottingham South West
Parish: St Mary
Enum. District: 30
Ecclesiastical District: St Anns
City/Municipal Borough: Nottingham
Address: 32, Pym Street, St Mary, Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARTLEY, Joseph Head Married M 38 1853 Police Clerk
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 34 1857
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Ethel Daughter F 14 1877
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Rowland Son M 13 1878
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Lawrence Son M 11 1880
Clay Cross, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Annie Daughter F 9 1882
Nottingham
HARTLEY, Earnest Son M 7 1884
Nottingham
HARTLEY, Claude Son M 1 1890
Nottingham


George

That is the one i was looking at George.

Can't for the life of me find them in the 1901 though!

PH

I can find the family in 1901, but Earnest is not with them, so i found them by looking for the other son Claude.

For ref.

1901 census transcription details for: 32, Pym Street, Nottingham
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RG number: RG13
Piece: 3176
Folio: 106
Page: 27
Reg. District: Nottingham
Sub District: Nottingham North East
Parish: Nottingham
Enum. District: 34
Ecclesiastical District: St Ann
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 32, Pym Street, Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARTLEY, Joseph Head Married M 47 1854 Police Sergeant
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Elizabeth R Wife Married F 45 1856
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Ethel A Daughter Single F 24 1877 Dressmaker
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Laurence S Son Single M 21 1880 Picture Frame Maker
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Annie E Daughter Single F 19 1882 Lace Mender
Nottingham
HARTLEY, Ellen G Daughter F 15 1886 Assistant In Foot Shop
Nottingham
HARTLEY, Claude P Son M 11 1890 School
Nottingham


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George

Rest of family in 1901 but not Ernest. I think this is the more likely one as he says born Nottingham

1901 census transcription details for: 32, Pym Street, Nottingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3176
Folio: 106
Page: 27
Reg. District: Nottingham
Sub District: Nottingham North East
Parish: Nottingham
Enum. District: 34
Ecclesiastical District: St Ann
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 32, Pym Street, Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARTLEY, Joseph Head Married M 47 1854 Police Sergeant
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Elizabeth R Wife Married F 45 1856
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Ethel A Daughter Single F 24 1877 Dressmaker
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Laurence S Son Single M 21 1880 Picture Frame Maker
Whitwell, Derbyshire
HARTLEY, Annie E Daughter Single F 19 1882 Lace Mender
Nottingham
HARTLEY, Ellen G Daughter F 15 1886 Assistant In Foot Shop
Nottingham
HARTLEY, Claude P Son M 11 1890 School Nottingham

Just in case...........


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: HARTLEY, Joseph
Address: 74 Marlborough Road Beeston Nottinghamshire

HARTLEY, Joseph Head Married37 years M 58 1853 Pensioner Grom Police Whitwell Derbyshire VIEW
HARTLEY, Elizabeth Ruth Mother Married F 57 1854 Whitwell Derbyshire VIEW
HARTLEY, Percy Claud Son Single M 22 1889 Electrition Nottingham VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 20426
Reference: RG14PN20426 RG78PN1223 RD429 SD3 ED1 SN29
Registration District: Basford
Sub District: Beeston
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Beeston
Address: 74 Marlborough Road Beeston Nottinghamshire
County: Nottinghamshire
(8 children born. 6 living, 2 had died)

???
British Army WW! Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Ernest Joseph Hartley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age at enlistment: 18
Birth Parish: St Anns
Birth County: Nottinghamshire
Document Year: 1898
Regiment Name: Royal Marine Light Infantry
Number of images: 13


Yes this one - particulars as to marriage - Florence Annie James 5 Nov 1910. Witnesses Joseph Hartley and Arthur W JAmes

Attested 1898 - NOK Father Joseph of Pym Street changed to wife 31 Bridlington Street, Nottingham

What a good find Stuart!

It seems he lied about his age?

??

1901 England Census
about Florence A James
Name: Florence A James
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward S James
Mother's Name: Annie M James
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 88
Piece: 3176
Folio: 121
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Edward S James 45
Annie M James 47
Florence A James 16
Arthur W James 7 >>>>>Witness at the marriage?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ernest Joseph Hartley
Name: Ernest Joseph Hartley
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 314

Yes good find Stuart, i was looking to see if he was in the Forces, but only looked on FMP but nio result, never thought he could be on the Pension records.

George

Andrew
It looks as if you have the right person as were told his other name was Joseph and looking at the rest of the family names it maybe that the John Hartley age 70 is the grandfather which would be great.

Thanks for all the information.
What would do without you all.
Sheila

Sheila -
Don't think Andrew's one is correct. If you say he was married to Florence James then I think we have proved Ernest was the one with the policeman father in Nottingham. His Army pension records show his marriage to Florence James.

George
Now you have got me confused by finding another Ernest same birth year with parents Joseph and Elizabeth at Whitwell .
How can I find for sure which is the right family.?
I thought Andrew had the right family when I saw the info he had found now I don`t know.

Sheila
:-S

Thank you Stuart.
No-one had said that he was in the Army but if his pension records show he was married to Florence James then that must be the correct family.
They had a son Hetley b 1911.

Sheila