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Note:- Robert Henry S Smith's mother was Elizabeth J and so was his sister Elizabeth J. Is it coincidence that he was possibly the father of a daughter Elizabeth J ?


1881 England Census about Robert H. Smith
Name: Robert H. Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Geo Smith
Mother's name: Elizabeth J. Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Coundon, Durham, England

Civil parish: Crook and Billy Row
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: Police Station
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Hamsterley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4927
Folio: 109
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Geo Smith 35
Elizabeth J. Smith 33
Geo. W. Smith 11
Elizabeth J. Smith 8
Isabel M. Smith 7
Robert H. Smith 4
Georgina E. Smith 1
William Higs 30
Edward Hughes 63
Wm. Sinclarr 40
Geo. Telford 42
John Dron 23
Geo. Wm. Scott 24

Give it a rest until we get some Mike*

Dea Xxx <3

We appear to be going round in circles.
Research is being repeated
(always coming back to Hannah Turnbull as the mother )

but still no feedback

1881 England Census about Hannah Turnbull
Name: Hannah Turnbull
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Turnbull
Mother's name: Mary Turnbull
Gender: Female
Where born: Crook, Durham, England

Civil parish: Wolsingham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: Grove Road
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Weardale
Sub-registration district: Wolsingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4940
Folio: 46
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
John Turnbull 27
Mary Turnbull 28
Hannah Turnbull 4
Margaret Turnbull 2
Thomas Brown 27



1891 England Census about Hannah Turnbull
Name: Hannah Turnbull
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Billy Row, Durham, England

Civil parish: Crook and Billy Row
Ecclesiastical parish: Crook
Town: Crook
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Hamsterley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4076
Folio: 44
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William R Heslop 36
Lydia R Heslop 33
Frederick N Heslop 6
Lydia Heslop 4
Jane Heslop 2
Emma Heslop 30
Rachael Young 19
Hannah Turnbull 14



1901 England Census about Hannah Smith
Name: Hannah Smith
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Henry Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Crook, Durham, England

Civil parish: Tow Law
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornley St Bartholomew
Town: Tow Law
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Weardale
Sub-registration district: Wolsingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 4663
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Henry Smith 24
Hannah Smith 24




1911 England Census about Hannah Smith
Name: Hannah Smith
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tow Law, Durham, England
Civil parish: Tow Law
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Castle Bank Tow Law
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Weardale
Registration District Number: 549
Sub-registration district: Wolsingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 29850
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Henry Simpson Smith 34 coal miner born Coundon
Hannah Smith 34
John George Alfred Smith 8
Evelyn Smith 7
Robert William Smith 5
Ruby Pearl Smith 2
Thomas Henry Smith 7/12
Phillp Clarkson 33


note there is an Evelyn born 1904


Births Jun 1908
Smith Ruby Pearl Weardale 10a 352


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Ruby Pearl Smith
Name: Ruby Pearl Smith
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1908
Date of Registration: Mar 1996
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Central Cleveland
Inferred County: Cleveland
Register Number: D50
District and Subdistrict: 3481D
Entry number: 247




Marriages Dec 1900

Smith Robert Henry Weardale 10a 483
Turnbull Hannah Weardale 10a 483

Thanks Dea!!

I do my best . :-S

Flo

Spot on Flo (I think !! ;-) )

Dea Xxx

I hope you all do not mind me butting in like this only I have been looking at the posts!! and the way i see it is this,,,,,,,,

Richard Henry Smith is the father to Hilda Maud smith, 1916 Durham, Everlyn Smith 1917 ,
and Elizabeth J smith1918.

Elizabeth J Smith b 1918 is the one married to JohnThomas Wilson in 1938.
(as you all have already pointed out)

I think Eddie is looking for the mother of Elizabeth and siblings.

he probably got the father from her marriage cert, who we know as Richard ( Robert) Henry Smith.

I think it would be best if he sent for her birth cert ( meaning Elizabeth b 1918 )first that will give him the mother ,s name , make it easier for the marriage.

Flo

I get that same impression Mike*, but to be honest, I am not going to concern myself further until we get some proper clarification from Eddie !!!

Dea xxx

I get the impression that Elizabeth's husband (John Thomas Wilson) is the friend's father.
and Robert Henry is Elizabeth's father

Or am I seeing it wrong ?

Eddie - You say you're looking for your friend's father's parents.

So if Richard Henry Smith is your friend's grandfather, can you please tell us the name of your friend's father.

Unless Janet Young had been married before I can't see how she was the mother of Elizabeth as there doesn't appear to be a birth for Elizabeth Smith with mmn Young

Confirming GB's guess re spouse.

Using the local indexes at http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/
Surname Forename(s) Year District
YOUNG Janet 1903 Durham Northern
SMITH Richard H 1903 Durham Northern
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNRLAN45 - 97 - Durham Northern (1903)
[My guess is DNRLAN45 refers to book 45 of the Lanchester registrar's own register, so this is most likely a rego office marr. Non-conformists (except RCs) had been authorizeed to keep official registers in 1898, so the registrar no longer needed to attend their marrs. However, not all got authorized immediately - my wife's grandparents were wed at a Wesleyan Methodist Church in 1901 and the registrar had to attend for them - although it was a building registered for marrs, the church didn't get authorized to keep rego's until 1902]

Mike's suggestion of Turnbull DOES look very good , However, I (and I think Mike) would like some more info to enable us to confirm !!!

Dea xxx

SORRY not here but comp keeps crashing need to buy a new one, the names you have come up with looks to me to be right, its the best so far the smith turnball fits nicely as do the daughters YOU ARE THE BEST, thank you all so much regards eddie

Eddie - where are you ??????????????

It is all waiting here for you if only you would return !!!

Dea Xxx

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Marriages Dec 1900 -

McNaughton Thomas William Weardale 10a 483
>>>>>>Smith Robert Henry - Weardale 10a 483
>>>>>>>>Turnbull Hannah - Weardale 10a 483
Watt Hannah Weardale 10a 483

Is Elizabeth Jane your friend's mother ?

Am I right in thinking that on her marriage cert she names Richard Henry as her father and you are looking for Richard's wife's name (Elizabeth's mother)?

Could Evlyn be Mary E and Ada be Mary A ??? (Long shot I know but posting just in case)


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Births Jun 1913

Smith Mary E - Turnbull- Weardale 10a 634

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Births Dec 1914

Smith Hilda M - Turnbull- Weardale 10a 596

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Births Mar 1918

Smith Elizabeth J - Turnbull- Weardale 10a 467

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Births Sep 1920

Smith Joseph - Turnbull - Weardale 10a 672

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Births Dec 1921

Smith Mary A - Turnbull - Weardale 10a 589

Eddie - we need you here please !!!

Dea Xxx

SO was Elizabeth J the daughter of Robert Henry or the wife??

When and where were all t6hese 4 daughter's born please???

Did John Wilson marry the mother of these children or one of them ???

Dea Xxx

Hi all just got my computer back seemed to crash just as I was reading articles To clarify Im researching for a friend who knows almost nothing of his fathers ,Father/mother all I have is the fathers name robert henry smith and his 4 childrens names and nothing of the wife/mother of said children/robert hanry smith thet have given me elizabeth jane smith her birthday 20/1/1918 and thats it