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Well spotted Anne, that had slipped under my radar - and my thanks to alviegal as well for the post.

Time now for me to get on my mobility scooter and face the cold weather as I need to do my weekly shopping brrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Thanks again to you both,

James

Hi James,
If you look at the above post provided by alviegal, you will see that William Wotherspoon married Jeanie F Paul in Rockdale, Australia in 1910.
Therefore, he was not married when he immigrated in 1908.

Anne

Thanks Anne,

I had already looked at those 2 two deaths for a William Wotherspoon and ruled them both out as I believe my William emigrated to Australia in 1908 with his wife who I believe was a Jean Ferguson Paul.

I think the William Wotherspoon who died 17 Apr 1951 would seem to be a more likely candidate for the William I am looking for. I have one child linked to him and that is a son James Fergus Wotherspoon.

Thanks also for pointing me to http://trove.nla.gov.au - this is yet another useful site.

Best Wishes,

James

Death and funeral announcements of William Wotherspoon 17 Apr 1951.
Age 73 gives year of birth as 1878

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18209073?searchTerm=william wotherspoon&searchLimits=l-decade=195|||l-year=1951
He was husband of Jeanie, father of William and James, father in law of Mavis Lillian and Mavis Una. Grandfather of Marlene, Paul and Gregory.


Anne

Hi James,
The best way to check this is to enter the death details provided onto SP and see if anything fits, at this stage, no purchase is necessary.
By manipulating the search criteria, you can obtain definitive info.

This is the result:

There were only 2 two deaths for anyone called William Wotherspoon in Scotland between 1901 and 1902 and both deaths are registered in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire

First man was 27 yrs old ( bc 1875) and his death was registered in 1901.
There is no definitive match to a mother's maiden name of Knox or Arthur.
Only obtaining the cert will confirm his identity and if it was him, ( age is about 3yrs out and does not quite fit) then his death occurred AFTER the 1901 census.
I am sure your man is the one who immigrated in 1908

Second man was 62yrs old and his death is registered in 1902.
This will be the husband of Jane/Jeanie Arthur Knox, and the father of the man that you are seeking info on.
Although he is mentioned on the Knox family memorial at Beith, Ayrshire, it does not necessarily mean that he was buried there, but it does confirm that his wife is interred there.



Anne

Here are those deaths again with parents' names. Deaths after 1981 are too recent for this index.

16717/1966 WOTHERSPOON JEAN MCEWAN JOHN KNOX JEANIE MCGREGOR ST LEONARDS


24903/1957 WOTHERSPOON UNA LILLIAN HENRY LESLIE SARAH LISMORE


8220/1951 WOTHERSPOON WILLIAM UNKNOWN JEANIE KOGARAH

WOTHERSPOON James Fergus Death notice 17DEC1990 Death 75 late of Bexley Sydney Morning Herald 18DEC1990


WOTHERSPOON Jean McEwan Death notice 26MAR1966 Death late of Pymble Sydney Morning Herald 28MAR1966


WOTHERSPOON Keith William Death notice 30JAN1988 Death 70 Sydney Morning Herald 01FEB1988


WOTHERSPOON Una Lillian Obituary 17JUL1957 Death 48 late of North Lismore Northern Star (Lismore) 18JUL1957


WOTHERSPOON William Paul Death notice 03MAY1987 Death late of Woy Woy Sydney Morning Herald 05MAY1987

?? WOTHERSPOON William Death notice 17APR1951 Death 73 at St George Hospital, late of Rockdale Sydney Morning Herald 19APR1951

All from http://ryersonindex.net/search.php


If you look at the death of the William who died in 1902 on Sp, his parents should be named.
This one in Australia really does sound like your man.

Jello ***alviegal***

A lot of food for thought there, the Wm K Wotherspoon and John K Wotherspoon look like the two Knox Wotherspoon's I have on my tree.

I have five siblings in total, James b1872, the John above b1873, Isabella b1875, the William above b1878, and a Robert b1881.

I have traced all the details for James born 1872, Isabella born 1875, and Robert born 1881 (died 1887)

Now thanks to your excellent endeavors I can now put John b1873 to rest.

"Thank You" for your assistance, I am going to log off now, been on here too long today, it is so easy to lose track of time when you get engrossed with these genealogy issues.

Regards,

James

William's marriage.

9766/1910 WOTHERSPOON WILLIAM PAUL JEANIE F ROCKDALE


and his son's.

20566/1939 WOTHERSPOON WILLIAM PAUL SMITH MAVIS LILLIAN ROCKDALE


from http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=marriages

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 about John K Wotherspoon
Name: John K Wotherspoon
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 22 Jul 1908
Vessel Name: Everton Grange

Also on voyage was William K Wotherspoon.



New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 about Wm K Wotherspoon
Name: Wm K Wotherspoon
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 22 Jul 1908
Vessel Name: Everton Grange

Death for William's brother?


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about John Knox Wotherspoon
Name: John Knox Wotherspoon
Death Date: 1945
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: William
Mother's name: Jeanie
Registration Year: 1945
Registration Place: Newtown, New South Wales
Registration number: 26617




Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about John K Wotherspoon
Name: John K Wotherspoon
Spouse Name: Jeanie Macg Robson
Marriage Date: 1909
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Hurstville, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1909
Registration number: 8219


On the electoral roles with Jeannie McGregor W, and Keith William W, clerk till 1943. He is a commercial traveller.
Also an Ian Knox W and Jean McEwan Wotherspoon, stenographer are there some years.



Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about John Knox Wotherspoon
Name: John Knox Wotherspoon
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1943
State: New South Wales
District: Parramatta
Subdistrict: Epping

At home with Jeanie, home duties, William, engine fitter and William Paul Wotherspoon, electrical fitter


Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about James Fergus Wotherspoon
Name: James Fergus Wotherspoon, labourer
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936
State: New South Wales
District: Barton
Subdistrict: Bexley


Jeanie and William disappear between 1943 and 1949.


No here they are with William Paul and a Mavis Lilian.



Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about William Wotherspoon
Name: William Wotherspoon
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1949
State: New South Wales
District: St George
Subdistrict: Rockdale


William is still an engine fitter. He would be about 72 by now if he was your man.

Jeannie is still with W P and M L in 1954 but not in 1958. William has disappeared by 1954.





Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about James Fergus Wotherspoon
Name: James Fergus Wotherspoon
Spouse Name: Una Mavis Williams
Marriage Date: 1941
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Hurstville, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1941
Registration number: 10252

Thanks Reggie,

I have been led astray before by information on FamilySearch, once bitten twice shy, hence my query. I will have a look at the 1911 census to see what that throws up.

Also I did not think I was breaking the rules as I have not queried this individual before. I do try to resolve a lot by myself using SP and FMP and only ask questions on those I hit a dead end with.

Regards,

James

James

Please comply with site guidelines about posting requests. One post per topic...............

These are the only migration records on FMP for the name/birth year



WOTHERSPOON William 1878 M 1916 Liverpool USA New York VIEW VIEW
WOTHERSPOON William 1878 M 1921 London China Hong Kong VIEW VIEW
WOTHERSPOON William E 1879 M 1936 Liverpool Chile Valparaiso VIEW VIEW

Don't ever give too much credence to info on familysearch......unless the records you see are extracted from Parish Registers

The 1911 Scottish census on Scotlands people should answer your query.............

Thanks Maddie,

Already have those bits about the family and siblings and have them sorted out, it is just the son William that is giving me grief.

James

and john


"Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," John Knox Wotherspoon, 1873
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name: John Knox Wotherspoon
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 05 Oct 1873
birthplace: KILBIRNIE,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Wotherspoon
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jeanie Knox
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11596-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

so parents are correct ?????
maddie

brothers baptism
name: James Wotherspoon
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 13 Aug 1872
birthplace: BEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Wotherspoon
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jeanie Knox
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11581-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

That's what is confusing me Maddie, I will have another go at trying to find his death certificate.

James