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I have John Hawes dob 1884, Hazelwood, Suffolk.
1901 census at home, occ. Soldier with Father Abraham & mother Jemima. in Walton, Suffolk. What happened to him after this ??.

1911 census –

HAWES, Abraham Henry Head Married M 57 1854 General Labourer Bungay Suffolk
HAWES, Jemima Wife Married34 years F 58 1853 Holton Suffolk

RG number: RG14
Piece: 10810
Reference: RG14PN10810 RG78PN584 RD213 SD1 ED12 SN26
Registration District: Ipswich
Sub District: Ipswich Western
Enumeration District: 12
Parish: Ipswich
Address: 68 Richmond Road Ipswich
County: Suffolk

Original states 11 children born, 1 died

Have you found the 11 children and determined which is the one that died?

Have you made any attempt to find out yourself?

You should at least have looked at freebmd

And how about including 'please' when asking for help.................

As i stated John is on the 1901 census and is a soldier,
I can't find his death or marriage
Yes Reggie, i have searched !!
this is the reason i have asked for help,
Sorry i left out the word "Please"
Many Thanks in anticipatian

So he had a middle name;


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1884 (>99%)

Haws John Henry Plomesgate 4a 825

And he was also a twin;

Haws Louisa Plomesgate 4a 825

There's a family tree on A* with 10 children (including John) so I suspect the dead child may have been born and died between census years. It has nothing after 1901 for John though.

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
BOTWRIGHT William Hartismere 4a 1079
HAWES Honor Louisa Hartismere 4a 1079
HAWES Louisa Hartismere 4a 1079
TALBOT William Thomas Hartismere 4a 1079

Thanks BatMansDaughter, did'nt know of a middle name also thanks Jim The Ferret,
Flip, i've not got membership to A*, how can i contact person with tree ?

I can contact them if you wish. You can't make contact without a membership, but they don't have anything on John after 1901 though.

Just let me know if you want me to make contact, and PM me your email address to pass on. Don;t post your address on here - not allowed.

OK, message sent to the tree owner on A* (Stephen Howes) - he is an active member so hopefully will make contact direct to your e-mail address. He, and another member, has the mother as Jemima Martin, but the other member has only researched one of their children and has no details for the rest of them.

How and why are you researching John please? Just not clear how you've got back to him, but it would help to know.

Could this be his death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: John Henry Hawes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Plomesgate
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 523

Hi Flip,
I have his parents, Abraham Hawes & Jemima Martin, There were that i know of Ten children, it was complicated to sort out as several of the children were born out of wedlock and baptised as Martin, they then had their name changed to Hawes when their parents married in 1875.
I found John on the 1901 census but not on the 1911 one, but it looks like "Marie Celeste" could have just found him for me,
Many thanks for your help.
Will let you know if A* member contacts me.

Not sure of that death MC - think it may be this one?:

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
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Hawes John Henry Plomesgate 4a 819

That's possible Flip, I'd tied the death in to the 1884 birth posted further up

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1884 (>99%)

Haws John Henry Plomesgate 4a 825

it's getting comlicated again !!

So looking at the possible births of the same name;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
HAWES John Henry Norwich 4b 116
HAWES John Henry Newmarket 3b 597

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
Haws John Henry Plomesgate 4a 825

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Hawes John Henry Plomesgate 4a 819

So there is 4 born in total within 3 years, so lets see if we can trace all deaths.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about John Henry Hawes
Name: John Henry Hawes
Birth Date: 10 May 1883
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 789


Other possibles;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about John H Hawes
Name: John H Hawes
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1963
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 463

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about John H Hawes
Name: John H Hawes
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1940
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: North Bucks
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 3066

And then the 1 MC posted;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Hawes John Henry 19 Plomesgate 4a 523


If it were me I think I would consider the North Bucks 1 myself. The Cambridge death was possibly born in Newmarket, the Yarmouth death was most likely the Norwich birth and the Plomesgate 1 most likely the 1885 Plomesgate birth...... the only 1 that doesn't fit is the Buckinghamshire death.

I would agree with that being the most likely death. Unfortunately no probate though. The one in 1963 grants probete to wife Emma Mabel (Brown) - married Yarmouth 1914 - so that marriage can also be ruled out.

According to 1901 census he was a soldier - there's nothing on A* military records, wonder if it is worth checking FMP to see if they have his enlistment & record - or are there other sites?

Doing a free search on FMP, this comes up;



Royal Marine Medal Roll 1914-1920
Last name First name(s) Rank Number View
details
HAWES John Henry Private CH/14223