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Hi, is anyone good at deciphering handwriting? My 3x gt grandmother Elizabeth Skinner was living in Carpenters Row Liverpool on the 1841 census. The 1851 census says she was born in what looks like 'Dorby' Yorkshire & the 1861 census says Haliax Yorkshire so presume its a district of Halifax. Any help appreciated!

Chris

I can't quickly find the censuses you mention to look at the informaiton.

Please can you give more information


when was Elizabeth born?

Is Skinner her maiden or married name?

what is the name of the Head of the household, and is it her father or husband.

Is this Elizabeth in 1861??


1861 Census

Name: Elizabeth Skinner
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton

Elizabeth Skinner 77 Mangle Keeper
Eliza Genmley 42 Daughter, Widow
Ann Jane Phillips 29 Daughter, Married

This is her in the 1851 Census ........ and ancestry has transcribed the place name as CORBY



It could be Sorby ............. the first letter is definitely not D ......... compare with other D's on the page.


1851 Census

Name: Elizabeth Skinner
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Corby, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton

Elizabeth Skinner 66 Housekeeper, Widow
Eliza Grundy 32 Daughter, Widow
Nicholas Grundy 8 Grandson
Ann Jane Lewies 19 Daughter

Have you any idea what her maiden name was ........


....... or what was the name under which one or both of her children was married???

Have you any idea what her maiden name was ........


....... or what was the name under which one or both of her children was married???

There is a place in Yorkshire called Sowerby


try saying that in a Yorkshire accent to a Liverpudlian


could it be mis-heard as Sorby?????????

For ref 1841 with son and daughter - all listed as born in county. Possibly her husband was a mariner as her son

SKINNER, Elizth F 55 1786 Lancashire
SKINNER, William M 20 1821 Lancashire
SKINNER, Ann F 11 1830 Lancashire

Piece: 566

Book/Folio: 19/40

Page: 23

Registration District: Liverpool

Civil Parish: Liverpool

Municipal Borough: Liverpool

Address: Carpenter's Row House, Liverpool

County: Lancashire

Hi everyone& thanks for looking! I have found a marriage for William Skinner & Elizabeth Garner in the IGI records: 7/12/1828 at St Paul's St Paul's Square Liverpool. I have also found on the same site a birth for a Eliz. Garner 4/11/1783 , daughter of Thos Garner & Jane in Barnborough Yorkshire but as yet can' t prove its her. I wonder if Barnborough is near Sowerby! - it does sound like Sorby!
Thanks everyone,
Chris

There are 2 Sowerby's - one near Thirsk and one 5 km ESE of Halifax.

Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 7 Dec 1828 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Skinner - (X), Mariner of Liverpool
Elizabeth Garner - (X), Widow of Liverpool
Witness: Sarah Delany, (X); Martin Delany, (X)
Married by Banns by: R H Formby Minister
Register: Marriages 1825 - 1830, Page 160, Entry 1
Source: LDS Film 1656374

there was an Eliza Garnett married a Nicholas Grumley in 1836

Nicholas Grundy on 1851 census is registered as Nicholas Grumley

so as Elizabeth Skinner was a widow on her marriage to William Skinner was her previous married name Garnett rather than Garner?

Hi lancashireAnn, this gets more confusing! I have seen Nicholas & Eliza Grundy on the 1851 census and looking again at the 1871 it does look more like Grumley. Maybe the next step is to look at the OPC site for the marriage details although I' m not sure where that will get me. Anyone any other ideas?? :-( I also have problems on the Skinner side, but that's another story ....
Thanks again everyone,
Chris

name: Ann Jane Skinner
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 28 Nov 1830
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Skinner
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Elizabeth
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I07850-2


groom's name: Nicholas Grumley
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Eliza Garnett
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 08 Nov 1836
marriage place: Saint Peter Church Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M02095-8

Thanks Vicci,

Chris

sorry - should have said this would be Eliza's son's birth

Births Sep 1842 (>99%)
Grumley Nicholas Liverpool 20 465

Ann Jane Skinner marriages to Lewis and Phillips

groom's name: David Lewis
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Ann Jane Skinner
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 14 Jan 1851
marriage place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: David Lewis
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Joseph Skinner
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M00725-7

Marriages Mar 1857 (>99%)

Phillips George W. Derby 8b 481
Skinner Ann Jane W Derby 8b 481

Marriage: 12 Jan 1857 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
George Phillips - 26 Soldier Bachelor of Albert St
Ann Jane Skinner - 23 Spinster of Albert St
Groom's Father: Henry Phillips, Joiner
Bride's Father: William Skinner, Sailor
Witness: Henry Clark; Eliza Grumley
Married by Banns by: N. J. Hindley Minister
Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 85, Entry 169
Source: LDS Film 2147914

Grumley again!

Marriage: 12 Jan 1857 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
George Phillips - 26 Soldier Bachelor of Albert St
Ann Jane Skinner - 23 Spinster of Albert St
Groom's Father: Henry Phillips, Joiner
Bride's Father: William Skinner, Sailor
Witness: Henry Clark; Eliza Grumley
Married by Banns by: N. J. Hindley Minister
Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 85, Entry 169
Source: LDS Film 2147914

beat me Vicci!

Marriage: 8 Nov 1836 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Nicholas Grumley - (X), Mariner of This Parish
Elvira Garnett - Spinster of This Parish
Witness: John McKee; Jane McKee
Married by Banns by: Oliver Ormerod A M Curate
Register: Marriage 1836 - 1837, Page 69, Entry 206
Source: LDS Film 93919

unfortunately father's name not given.

You are all working hard!
I have both marriage certs (Lewis & Phillips) for my 2x gt grandmother Ann Jane Skinner . What threw me was that when she married David Lewis she was a spinster And her father was Joseph Skinner and when she married George Phillips (my 2x gt grandfather ) she was still a spinster and her father was William. Maybe this was because she was a minor when she first married and married without her parents consent, who knows. Both husbands where in the Royal artillery , both stationed at Birchfield Barracks in 1851 and Lewis' father was the Barrack sergeant! Whatever happened to Lewis?!