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Margee - yeah, sorry abt that. Normally I would, but I don't really know how far apart they are. I usually check on my Ont map which I got free from CAA (well, BCAA out here) - in fact I've got a map for every state and province, but I moved earlier this month, and I've not unpacked them yet, eh, so no correction.
I've only been to Lancaster the once, I think, abt 30 y ago, but that would have been by rail, so I've not got a real idea of the distances involved.

You disappoint me, mgnv. I thought, after I said that Toronto & Lancaster were about 300 miles apart, that it wasn't quite right but thought, never mind, mgnv will correct me. He didn't!

Repeating Gins post:

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON TORONTO (East/Est) (City/Cité) (#117)
Subdistrict: Ward/Quartier No. 2 B-3 Page 6
23 63 Vincent Mary F Head W Jun 27 1872 28
24 63 Hughes Donald M Brother S Jan 22 1877 24

Sched 1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000105345.pdf
[MV dob=27/6/1872 - DH dob=22/1/1877; pob=QC for both; CofE for both - I read Mary as Laundry Machine Operator]
Sched 2 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000105335.pdf
[P6L23 - addy=24 Sackville St - runs N from Dundas St 1mile W of Don Valley Pkwy]

Thanks Margee and Gins - I must have been getting Information Overload and missing things . This is all now making up a nicely rounded story .

Also Tracey had posted his marriage which was in Toronto not Lancaster, about 300 miles away.

I posted his cause of death

20 Dec 2012 15:31........see page 1

Now I'm even more impressed by the Detectives of Genes Reunited ...
So , to summarise from what I already knew/suspected and the collective discoveries above :
Frank Vincent Bean , my grandfather , was born 1881 , son of Fanny Isabella Bean ,from Rickinghall Suffolk age 16/17, and perhaps Wallace Vincent ( 16/17 ) , an apprentice Miller , living with his well to do family in the nearby village of Botesdale ( less than a mile away from Rickinghall)
Fanny married Frederick Cornish and in 1891 were living in nearby Ixworth with Frank and their own children . They later moved to Limehouse in London , whereas Frank lived the rest of his life in Ixworth , apart from his time in the Army .( He died in the same house where I was living , in 1956 but as I was only 2 years old I have no memory of him )
Wallace had three sisters , of whom Alice and Ellen were spinsters . Gertrude married , but her sole child , Margaret , died unmarried in 1959 .
Wallace married Canadian (?) Mary Hughes in Lancaster OntarioDec 1886 and may have travelled back to UK sometime afterwards for unknown reasons. In 1891 Wallace is living with wife and her brother , and is working as a Miller . By 1901 , he has died .
So it looks like there can be no living blood relations of Wallace .

Two queries- if anyone can help further :
Frank Vincent Bean was discharged from the Army 12/2/05 having served abroad for 3 years ( I have a photo of him in India ) as being " Medically Unfit for Further Service ". I wonder what the problem was ? In fact he reinlisted 26/7/16 but on 27/10/17 was discharged again ( " Rejection by Recruiting Medical Board as permanently and totally disabled for Military Service under Review of Exceptions Act 1917 " I have the original certificate showing this ) .

Also , is there any way to find more details of Wallace's death - cause/place of burial etc ? Even though he may not actually have been my Great Grandfather , it would be nice to have this information - just in case .

Thanks to All

1901 Census of Canada
about Mary Vincent
Name: Mary Vincent
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Age: 28
Birth Day & Month: 27 Jun
Birth Year: 1872
Birthplace: Qc
Relation to Head of House: Head
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Church Of England
Occupation: Operator Lacmendry Mechin
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto (east/est) (city/cité)
District Number: 117
Sub-District: Toronto (East/est) (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 2
Sub-District Number: B-3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Vincent 28
Donald Hughes 24 <<Brother. Horse trainer

(newspaper article, states)...

Vincent - Hughes.
at Grace Church, Toronto, Canada, by the Rev. L.P Lewis, rector. Wallace, only son of Samuel Baker Vincent, of Rickinghall, to Mary, only daughter of Mr. Hughes, of Lancaster, Ontario, Canada.

Chris :)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1232629

(above for Newspapers, Free to join!)


Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
The Bury and Norwich Post, and Suffolk Standard (Bury Saint Edmunds, England), Tuesday, August 30, 1898

Vincent.
On the 20th August, in Norwich, Mrs. Ellen Mary Vincent, widow of Mr. Samuel Baker Vincent, of Rickinghall, aged 60 years.

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148173-00527.pdf

Margee - I think it is Vincent with an "A" overwritten. I note Andrew works in the Street car stables - one forgets they were once horsedrawn.

This looks like him in 1891:

1891 Census of Canada
about Wallace Amrent Name: Wallace Amrent
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1863
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Spouse's Name: Mary Amrent
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Ontario
District Number: 119
District: Toronto City
Subdistrict: St Lawrence Ward
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wallace Amrent 28
Mary Amrent 24
Andrew Hughes 15

Surname on original could very well be Vincent. Mary and Andrew born Quebec. Wallace is a miller.

I live very close to Lancaster, Ontario, actually I was just there a few days ago.

I can't imagine what is referred to by J Race Church. There is a St. Andrews Presbyterian Church, St. John the Evangelist Anglican Church and St. Joseph's Catholic Church

Lancaster is in Glengarry Co, close to the Quebec border and abt 450 km NE of Toronto in York Co.

You can search most Canadian censuses for free, and get images, but I didn't spot him in 1891 nor 1901. Use the links at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

You can also search Ont marrs at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA
but you need an Ancestry sub for the image

name: Wallace Vincent
event: Marriage
event date: 29 Dec 1886
event place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
age: 23
estimated birth year: 1863
father: Samuel Baker Vincent
mother: Ellen
spouse: Mary Hughes
spouse's age: 19
spouse's estimated birth year: 1867
spouse's father: Peter Hughes
spouse's mother: Sarah
registration number: 014732
film number: 1870216
digital folder number: 004529151
image number: 00238
Citing this Record
"Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMVS-XHY : accessed 20 Dec 2012), Wallace Vincent and Mary Hughes, 1886.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Margaret Cossey <<Spinster of 27 Westerfield Road
Probate Date: 17 Dec 1959
Death Date: 9 Oct 1959
Death Place: Ipswich
Registry: Ipswich

To Barclays Bank Ltd & Alfred Cecil Gibson Renouf, retired Bank Accountant - £9086 19s 4d


This is the person listed in probate


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Alfred Cecil B Renouf <<It is a 'G' on the GRO record
Birth Date: 31 Oct 1900
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1974
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Gipping
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 2733

Gertrude did marry


1911 England Census
Name: Gertrude May Cossey
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hickley, Leicestershire
Civil parish: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: 95 Magdalen Rd, Norwich
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 5
Estimated Marriage Year: 1906
Registration district: Norwich
Registration District Number: 225
Sub-registration district: East Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 178
Piece: 11284
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen May Vincent 45
Sydney Herbert Cossey 38
Gertrude May Cossey 39
Margaret Cossey 4
Mary Ann Marrison 74
Nora Marrison 36
Laura Marrison 34


Marriages Sep 1905
--------------------------------------------------------------
Cossey Sydney Herbert Norwich 4b 220
VINCENT Gertrude Mary Norwich 4b 220


I cant see any other births for the couple and it looks like Margaret (daughter) never married



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Margaret Cossey
Birth Date: abt 1906
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1959
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 759

Blimey - I nip away for an hour , and suddenly there's all this information ! Looks like Genes Reunited people are really nice and helpful . Yes , my grandfather was Frank Vincent bean , 1881 Botesdale (Frank ernest 1921 was my dad ) . According to the Bury and Norwich Post on .29/12/1886 , Wallace married Mary Hughes at J Race Church Lancaster Ontario . Ipswich Journal 24/2/87 says that Samuel B Vincent ( his father ) died 19/2/87 so presumably he didn't travel . Geretrude Alice and Ellen were sisters .Two were spinsters9 buried in Rickinghall churchyard , near Botesdale ) but Gertrude married The Passenger list from Tracey is something I hadn't seem before . And the death at York looks interesting . If this was my ancestor then it may well be there were no descendants at all from that line .
According to two of my grandfather's uncles before they died , , Wallace certainly was the chap responsible and my great grand mother( Fanny Isabella ) deliberately named him Vincent to make it well known !!
So , Yes , that;'s a lot more info .
As this is the first time I've posted anything , THANK YOU , and Sorry if I've not followed any usual polite procedures for this sort of thing .
Mike , Tracey , Gins - I'll be back and chat with you properly .

Adrian

Gertrude is on the 1901 census with her sister. She marries about 1906 according to the 1911 census - Name 'Cossy'

I cant find her returning either? I think it is a different woman on the passenger list that you post?

G

There's a Gertrude on the 1881 listed?

So.... maybe?


Tracey
:-D

T

Hes a labourer on that death I posted, so maybe thats not him?

x

One of his trips?

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Wallace Vincent
Name: Wallace Vincent
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Date of Arrival: 26 Jul 1899
Vessel: Vancouver
Search Ship Database: View the 'Vancouver' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec and Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: C-4542

Travelling with Maud (30) & Gertrude (25) Vincent both described as Spinsters.Wallace is a Clerk (assuming it's the right man?)

Tracey
:-D