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CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 22 Apr 2013 18:55

has anyone got access to the plymouth baptism records?

I am interested in a match to a baptism for 1830.

thanks in advance.

I have access to ancestry if I can help with anything in return.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 22 Apr 2013 19:26

Hi, thanks for your reply.

His name is Charles Ireland, not England

I know he married Emma Littlejohns and was born about 1825. He died

I see a match to a baptism on the plymouth baptism records for 1830, so wondering if he might of been baptised a few years after his birth.

I see him with a Sarah Ireland in 1841 which I am guessing might be his mother, but of course doesn,t show relationships.

I have his marriage cert reference added to my list of ones to orde ( I live in Canada, so want to wait till I have a few to order first) So am wondering if the baptism might reveal anything if it is him.

He disappears after 1851 and I can't find any definite death for him. Emma remarries to Frederick Webber.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 22 Apr 2013 19:28

This is the baptism match I am seeing in the Plymouth Baptism Records (find my past), which I am wondering if it is him.

Name: Charles Immanuel Ireland
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1830
Event Place: Devon
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name:
Source Reference:
Digital Folder Number: 004635220

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Apr 2013 19:38

Baptism
Forenames:Charles Immanuel
Surname:Ireland
Year:1830
Month:Feb
Day:7
Father's Forename:Joseph
Mother's Forename:Jane
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Dedication:Yealmpton
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon

Chris :)

1851
LITTLEJOHNS, Sarah Head W F 52 1799 Laundress
Stonehouse, Devonshire
IRELAND, Emma Daughter Married F 25 1826 Laundress
Plymouth, Devonshire
IRELAND, Charles Son-In-Law Married M 25 1826 General Dealer
Plymouth, Devonshire
CHELEY, Henry Visitor Unmarried M 44 1807 Laborer
Lostwithiel, Cornwall
SULLIVAN, James T Visitor Unmarried M 23 1828 Joiner
Dartmouth, Devonshire
Piece: 1879
Folio: 96
Page: 35
Registration District: Plymouth
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Municipal Borough: Plymouth
Address: 10, Summerland Place, St Andrew, Plymouth
County: Devonshire


Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
IRELAND Charles E Stonehouse 9 412
Littlejohns Emma E Stonehouse 9 412

Mike *

Mike * Report 22 Apr 2013 19:43

DOB c 1826 according to 1851 census


Sarah Littlejohns 52 -widow

Emma Ireland 25 - daughter
Charles Ireland 25 - son in law

Mike *

Mike * Report 22 Apr 2013 19:53

1861


Emma Ireland 35 - Married
daughter Emma Ireland 6

Mike *

Mike * Report 22 Apr 2013 19:56


Possible ????

1871

Charles Ireland 45 - Bradninch, Devon
Sarah Ireland 37
Charles Ireland 6
Rachel Ireland 4
Thomas Ireland 2

Joy

Joy Report 22 Apr 2013 20:13


Same as in http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=644242.0 ?
Charles IRELAND born abt 1826 Plymouth

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Apr 2013 21:16

think I've gone mad!!! sorry about that :-D :-D :-D

Researching:
Breakspears of Berkshire and Cardiff, Williams and Harman of Whitchurch, Melingriffith &Tongwynlais,Glamorgan WE HAVE NO CONNECTION Do not share your tree with me

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Apr 2013 22:14

Name: Charles Ireland
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Birthplace: Plymouth, Devonshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son-In-Law
Schedule Type: Household

Researching:
Breakspears of Berkshire and Cardiff, Williams and Harman of Whitchurch, Melingriffith &Tongwynlais,Glamorgan WE HAVE NO CONNECTION Do not share your tree with me

Vicci

Vicci Report 22 Apr 2013 23:01

Emma remarried in Plymouth 1864

so he must have died before then

Deaths Mar 1861 (>99%)
>>Ireland Charles Newton A. 5b 99
Ireland Charles Edward Sclater Exeter 5b 69

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 22 Apr 2013 23:20

Thanks everyone for all your help. It doesn't look like the baptism is him, but then the Sarah Ireland in 1841 might not be his mother, who knows, what does it mean by dedication: yealmpton?

I take it the date is for baptism and not birth?

I will wait for marriage certificate and see what information that gives to his father. Will hopefully give me some more info to work from.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Vicci

Vicci Report 22 Apr 2013 23:23

on his marriage certificate to Emma is his father's name mentioned?
witnesses names?

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

Vicci

Vicci Report 22 Apr 2013 23:46

Yealmpton
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Yealmpton/index.html

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 00:27

I haven't got the marriage certificate yet, that is my next thing to do.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Liam

Liam Report 23 Apr 2013 01:52

possible connection.

Birth, 23rd May 1852.
Charles Edwin Ireland.
Baptism ,27th June 1852.
Father- Charles
Mother- Emma.
St Andrews,Plymouth

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 04:51

Oh thank you Liam. That must be their son, as Emma's father is Edward and her brother Edwin. I don't see him in later census though, so perhaps he died young.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 04:57

Looks like their son Charles Edwin died in Chelsea in 1857.

Emma was perhaps visiting her brother, although she is still in Plymouth in 1861 and Charles her husband is gone. So perhaps both her husband and son died and she went back to Plymouth with their daughter. That must of been very tough.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 04:59

I would at a guess say the death in 1859 in Pancras is Charles Ireland senior, as it is the only one in London at the right time. Will add both death certs to my list to order.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 05:17

Looks like they lost two daughters too

Emma born 1851 in London and died 1851 same quarter and then Sarah born 1853 in London and died 1854.

Would explain the naming of their daughter in 1855 in Plymouth as Emma Sarah .

The only strange part is if they returned to Plymouth, why did Charles end up back in London. Unless of course Emma returned to Plymouth on her own when pregnant with Emma Sarah.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

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