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25 Apr 2013 11:55 |
Hello.
I'm trying to find out more about my ancestors. This is as far back as my mothers side know and I'm desperate to learn more about her as she was a seamstress (like me, my mother, my mother aunt etc).
Theres a story that she worked as a shirt maker for Rhuddlan Hall in N. Wales and fell pregnant by one of the Langfords (Longfords?) with her daughter Sarah (no surname found for her, presuming it would be Griffiths?). However, the dates I have don't seem to add up, as Sarahs daughter Eleanor was born in 1900 (one of seven kids) which seems a bit late?
The reason I have a birth year is because I have 2 of Mary's childhood samplers, with MARY GRIFFITHS AGED 11 :: 1845 neatly cross stitched along the bottom.
Anyway, needless to say I am eager to find out whatever I can about her.
Thank you for reading :)
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Adeline
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25 Apr 2013 12:26 |
Have you found her in any censuses? Do you know the town/village where she lived?
The combination of names is quite common and there is more than one possibility. You should also consider that she might have been recorded as Griffith.
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Fredk
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25 Apr 2013 12:29 |
1841 Census Household Record Household Information Address Llanrhydd Street Parish Llanrhydd District Ruthin, Ruthin Administrative County Denbighshire Householder 1 Name Morris Griffiths Age 50 Estimated Year of Birth 1791 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire Householder 2 Name Sophia Griffiths Age 40 Estimated Year of Birth 1801 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Birth Place Birth County Householder 3 Name Willm Griffiths Age 20 Estimated Year of Birth 1821 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire Householder 4 Name Elizth Griffiths Age 15 Estimated Year of Birth 1826 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire Householder 5 Name John Griffiths Age 15 Estimated Year of Birth 1826 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire Householder 6 Name Mary Jane Griffiths Age 8 Estimated Year of Birth 1833 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire Householder 7 Name George Griffiths Age 5 Estimated Year of Birth 1836 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire Householder 8 Name Goodman Griffiths Age 2 Estimated Year of Birth 1839 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire
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Eleanor
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25 Apr 2013 12:32 |
Wow... I'm speechless, that certainly a brilliant springboard you just provided me with. It will be so fascinating to see where it leads!
(I'm supposed to be writing essays right now but I'm so engrossed!)
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25 Apr 2013 12:36 |
Adeline said: "Have you found her in any censuses? Do you know the town/village where she lived?
The combination of names is quite common and there is more than one possibility. You should also consider that she might have been recorded as Griffith."
All I know is the family ended up in Dyserth, a small village in Denbighshire. Thats where her daughter Sarah ran the Post Office... But I can't help but think she would have been young/unmarried when she got "caught" and therefore Sarah could have been her granddaughter? Maybe I'm reading too much into this?! It all gets quite confusing!
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25 Apr 2013 12:43 |
Do you have Sarah and her daughter Eleanor (+ rest of family) on a 1901/1911 census which you could post? Perhaps we can work back from known facts.
Ages wise it could work out eg. Mary 1834, Sarah possible 1858 when Mary aged 24, Eleanor would have been born when Mum was 42, not impossible
EDIT - did Sarah marry, what was her surname then?
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25 Apr 2013 12:44 |
Could this be the family in 1901 in Dyserth?
Name: Eleanor M Hughes Age in 1901: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Hughes Mother's Name: Sarah Hughes Gender: Female Where born: Dyserth, Flintshire, Wales Civil parish: Dyserth Ecclesiastical parish: Dyserth St Bridget Town: Dyserth County/Island: Flintshire Country: Wales Registration district: St Asaph Sub-registration district: St Asaph ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 5234 Folio: 43 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Hughes 28 Sarah Hughes 28 dressmaker born Dyserth Thomas G Hughes 5 Eleanor M Hughes 3 William H Hughes 8 Months Mary Jones 69 b Whitford retired dressmaker mother in law to head of household
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Eringobragh1916
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25 Apr 2013 12:44 |
The dates could work out fine ...if Mary was 11 in 1845 she may have had Sarah as late as 1860 then Sarah would only have been abt 40 when Eleanor was born....not at all uncommon for the time frame you are searching....
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Eringobragh1916
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25 Apr 2013 12:45 |
Crossed with Stuart's post...!!
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Eleanor
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25 Apr 2013 12:46 |
Thats it Adeline, thats my great grandmother who I was named after, she married a John Henry Hodges who was known as Jack.
But on Eleanors Birth Record there is nothing listed under "mothers maiden name" I'm presuming it's because Sarah might have been illegitimate?
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Eleanor
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25 Apr 2013 12:55 |
This is really sad I know, but I'm so excited that we're all dressmakers!
I feel like it is a massive connection. I'm almost in tears just reading this info!
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Eleanor
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25 Apr 2013 12:57 |
Stuart, sorry, I missed your reply.
Sarah Married William Hughes, but is Mary was a Jones when she got married maybe Sarah took that name too? It's blown my mind completely.
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greyghost
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25 Apr 2013 12:59 |
FMP Version with occupations, place of birth etc. One of those places that obviously can come under 2 counties when checking records!! It all helps......
1901 census transcription details for: Rose Massy, Dyserth (Flint), Dyserth
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 5234 Folio: 43 Page: 2 Reg. District: St Asaph Sub District: St Asaph Parish: Dyserth (Flint) Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: Dyserth St Budget City/Municipal Borough: Address: Rose Massy, Dyserth (Flint), Dyserth County: Denbighshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HUGHES, William Head Married M 28 1873 Assist Crane DriverBodwrog, Anglesey HUGHES, Sarah Wife Married F 28 1873 DressmakerDyserth, Flintshire HUGHES, Thomas G Son M 5 1896 Dyserth, Flintshire HUGHES, Eleanor M Daughter F 3 1898 Dyserth, Flintshire HUGHES, William H Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Dyserth, Flintshire JONES, Mary Mother-In-Law Widow F 67 1834 Retired Dressmaker Whitford, Flintshire
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Eringobragh1916
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25 Apr 2013 13:01 |
Possible for Mary......A check of her occup.is needed... Mary Griffith Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Female Age: 37 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Whitford, Flintshire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: St Asaph Sub-District: St Asaph Parish: Dysuth County: Denbighshire Household Gender Age Birthplace Self Thomas Griffith M 76 New Marske, Flintshire Daughter Mary Griffith F 37 Whitford, Flintshire
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greyghost
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25 Apr 2013 13:15 |
Here in 1891 - Sarah has taken the Jones name, but may have married as Griffiths if that was her birth name
1891 census transcription details for: Brynia, Dyserth, Dymeirchion
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 4626 Folio: 52 Page: 20 Reg. District: St Asaph Sub District: St Asaph Parish: Dyserth Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: Dyserth City/Municipal Borough: Address: Brynia, Dyserth, Dymeirchion County: Denbighshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born JONES, Mary Head Widow F 57 1834 Dressmaker Whitford, Flintshire JONES, Sarah G Daughter Single F 18 1873 Dressmaker Dyserth, Flintshire
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Eringobragh1916
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25 Apr 2013 13:16 |
1881.....
Name: Sarah Griffiths Age (Original): 8 Gender: Female Birth Year: 1873 Birthplace: Wales Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Marital Status: Single Occupation: Scholar Address: Rose Marry Event Place: Dyserth (Flint), Denbighshire, Wales Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1342328 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 5527 / 63 Page Number: 28 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head William Jones M 61 Wales Wife Mary Jones F 47 Wales **Daughter Sarah Griffiths F 8 Wales***
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Fredk
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25 Apr 2013 13:17 |
1841 Census Record Personal Information Name Mary Griffiths Age 6 Estimated Year of Birth 1835 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Address Coed Llydan Bach District Llanrwst Union, Llanrwst Parish Llanrwst Administrative County Denbighshire Birth Place Denbighshire Birth County Denbighshire Reference Information Folio 19/5 Page 3 Piece 1403
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Eringobragh1916
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25 Apr 2013 13:20 |
Stuart ..Can you check the 1871 Census for the occup.of the said Mary living with her father Thomas please...I dont have facility...Thank you.
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greyghost
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25 Apr 2013 13:20 |
Erin
Looks like you are right with the 1871. Thomas is a Carpenter and MAry a dressmaker, so looks like she married after 1871 and pre 1891. Will have a look for 1881
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Eleanor
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25 Apr 2013 13:21 |
So much information... I don't know how to thank you all for your help with this. It means so much to me, and to find that Sarah was a dressmaker too! Her daughter Eunice was as well... shame it skipped over Eleanor! I think I may have to take a trip back to Dyserth soon. I'm feeling all nostalgic!
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