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Please could someone look up a birth for Ellen Avis born c1824 in Liverpool. I have tried BMD, FS and Lancashire Parish records but can't find her. I am trying to find her parents names

Thanks

Do you know who she married IrishBelle?
Jan

yes George Arron but I can't find the marriage
they have a daughter Mary Ellen Arron 1867 born In Bradford

Could this be George...??

Baptism: 31 Mar 1816 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George Arron - [Child] of Peter Arron & Mary
Abode: Church Alley
Occupation: Brush-Maker
Baptised by: J. Pulford, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1816, Page 126, Entry 1004
Source: LDS Film 1656378

This looks like them 1871 - already 'married'. Husband a tailor:

1871 England Census
Name: Ellen Arrow
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Wigan
Sub-registration District: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Household Schedule Number: 160
Piece: 3889
Folio: 44
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Cathrine Connor 54
Mary J Baker 9
Susannah Bailey 49
William J Jenion 30
Thomas Burgan 32
John Wilson 40
Ellen Wilson 30
John Wilson 15
James Wilson 10
John Hill 42
Mary Hill 40
George Arrow 57
Ellen Arrow 45
Eliza Arrow 14
Matilda Arrow 12
Henry Arrow 7
Ellen Arrow 4
Fredrick Green 31
William Ellison 47
John Hughes 60

yes that is George

No birth registration before July 1837, when the GRO came into being.

There is only one marriage for the husband's name before 1926

Marriages Mar 1854 (>99%)
ANDREWS Jane Liverpool 8b 73
ARRON George Liverpool 8b 73
COLEMAN Ann Liverpool 8b 73
McAllister William Liverpool 8b 73

Lancs BMD confirms who he married

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ARRON George ANDREWS Jane Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/28/17

Perhaps he wasn't free to marry Ellen.

Can you say where you found out her birth surname.

Maybe????

Deaths Sep 1881 (>99%)
ARRON George 66 Oldham 8d 366

A possibility:

Name: Henry Avis
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Ellen Donnelly
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Jan 1845
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Henry Avis
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Peter Donnelly
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single


Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%)
Avis Henry Liverpool 20 628

I can't see any birth records for Ellen's children, except Mary Ellen already mentioned by Irishbelle.

There's this one - right name and year, but wrong place:

Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
ARRON Henry Royston 3a 245

Births Jun 1867
Arron Mary Ellen - Bradford, Yk. 9b 67


Is this certificate where you got the mother's maiden name from ?

(although 1871 census has all children born Liverpool)

again out of area but ....



Births Dec 1858
Aaron Matilda - Birmingham 6d 120

another possible marriage for George



Marriages Mar 1860

Aaron George Liverpool 8b 21
Hannah Jane Liverpool 8b 21
JONES Fanny Liverpool 8b 21
Sayers William Liverpool 8b 21



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1860
AARON George - JONES Fanny
Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool

1871 census......for info only


Person: ARRON, Matilda Address: Elbow Lane, Wigan

BAKER, Mary J Granddaughter F 9 1862 Lancashire VIEW
BAILEY, Susannah Servant F 49 1822 Somerset VIEW
JENION, William J Lodger M 30 1841 Lancashire VIEW
BROGAN, Thomas Lodger M 32 1839 Ireland VIEW
WILSON, John Lodger M 40 1831 Worcestershire VIEW
WILSON, Ellen Lodger F 20 1851 Ireland VIEW
WILSON, John Lodger M 15 1856 Yorkshire VIEW
WILSON, James Lodger M 10 1861 United States VIEW
HILL, John Lodger M 42 1829 Bedfordshire VIEW
HILL, Mary Lodger F 40 1831 Lancashire VIEW
ARRON, George Lodger M 57 1814 Lancashire VIEW
ARRON, Ellen Lodger F 45 1826 Lancashire VIEW
ARRON, Eliza Lodger F 14 1857 Lancashire VIEW
ARRON, Matilda Lodger F 12 1859 Lancashire VIEW
ARRON, Henry Lodger M 7 1864 Lancashire VIEW
ARRON, Ellen Lodger F 4 1867 Lancashire VIEW
GREEN, Fredrick Lodger M 31 1840 London VIEW
ELLISON, William Lodger M 47 1824 Middlesex VIEW
HUGHES, John Lodger M 60 1811 Lancashire

Mike*'s post of an 1858 birth for Matilda is not this family...........that girl is in Birmingham in 1871 with her family

I can't quite 'get' the idea that a child born Mary Ellen would be recorded as Ellen in the census, when her mother's name was also Ellen.

The other children George c1857, Eliza c1859, Matilda c1861, Henry c1864 were born in Liverpool as per the census and I can't find their births. Most of the christenings in the family were at St Peters church which was destroyed in WW2. That's why I sent for Mary Ellen's birth cert as she was born in Bradford. From this I found out that her Mum was called Ellen Avis but I can't find anything about her.
I also sent for the marriage cert for the marriage of George Arron to Jane Andrews. George's dad on this marriage cert is Peter which is correct and George's occupation is Tailor which is correct.
But his wife is called Ellen on the census and now on Mary Ellen's birth cert.
So I thought the only way forward was to find Ellen Avis's birth or anything about her.

It's quite a mystery isn't it - I wonder why the births are so hard to find. It's possible that they were born under a different surname - maybe Mary Ellen was the only child born to the couple, and the others are Ellen's but not George's? She might have been previously married too.
Jan

Irishbelle....Check out the St Chads Rochdale Baptismal Registers..all the Baptisms for the named children are on there..but for 1870s...
Elizabeth b1859 has an Elizabeth for mother the rest Ellen...was it a transcription error...???

Unless there is another George Aaron/Arron (same age pob and occ) with wife Ellen and same named children then these are surely yours

Name: Henry Aaron
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 03 Oct 1875
Christening Place: St Chad's, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: George Aaron
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ellen