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Charles that was married to Hannah his middle name was Henry. That may make a difference when searching for him and on his marriage entry his father is simple listed at Charles Roumble.
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Very true Argyll Ann, but then again maybe they dropped the roumble for some reason or wood was added for some reason. This is where I wish we could pay less for an e-mail with only the details from the registry office it's not like we actually need the certificates just the information on them. :-(
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OKay I have a concern about using the surname Wood in that Charles Henry is listed under Roumble in probate, why would this be the case if the surname is Wood or roumblewood?
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The name Roumble is a puzzle in itself.
On Ancestry, there are only two census records for that surname, one in 1851 in Fareham, and one in 1891 in London, and neither mentions a Charles.
As far as Charles Henry is concerned, the name Roumble only appears in 1895 at his marriage, in 1904 at Rose's birth, and at Charles's probate.
The 1891 census record was posted on page 1 by AnnCardiff. In earlier and later census that family's name is spelled Rumbol
The 1851 is below. In other census records the family's name is Rumble:
1851 England Census about Joseph Roumble
Name: Joseph Roumble
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Roumble
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Fareham, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Fareham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Fareham
Sub-registration District: Fareham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 219
Piece: 1661
Folio: 96
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Roumble 26
Louisa Roumble 26
Eliza Roumble 3
George Roumble 2
William Roumble 6 Mo
Harriet Beach 52
As the name seems pretty fluid, this looks like Charles Henry's death:
Deaths Mar 1941 (>99%)
Rumble Charles H 68 Essex S.W. 4a 431
There is no likely record of a birth in Middlesex 1869-1874 for a Charles with a name anything like Roumble, so perhaps he was born Wood.
But don't know why the occasional change to Roumble/Rumble, in amongst the various Wood records! It's not as if he'd changed, and then stuck with the new name.
This could be his father Charles's death, perhaps:
Deaths Mar 1882 (>99%)
RUMBLE Charles 60 Mile End 1c 473
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Thanks ArgyllGran it certainly is a puzzle.
AnnCardiff I apologise I got the families mixed up talking about Maurice when it was charles' family you were looking at.
This family might need to be sidellined for awhile then something might up up at a later date.
Thanks again to all for your efforts. :-)
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Just an extra thought:
Doesn't fit with above suggested death record for Charles Sr, but here's a family with Wood/Rumble connections:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Franes Amelia Hall
Name: Franes Amelia Hall
[Frances Amelia Hall]
Spouse Name: Charles Rumble
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Feb 1846
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Hall
Spouse Father Name: John Rumble
Register Type: Parish Register
1871 England Census about Frances Rumble
Name: Frances Rumble
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Rumble
Gender: Female
Where born: Buxted, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Kensington
Sub-registration District: St John Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household Schedule Number: 156
Piece: 19
Folio: 49
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Rumble 48 c1823
Frances Rumble 50 Buxted, Sussex
1881 England Census about Frances Rumble
Name: Frances Rumble
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Broxtead, Essex, England
[Buxted, Sussex, England]
Civil Parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Dartmouth Rd
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration District: Lewisham
Sub-registration District: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 737
Folio: 75
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William S. Dedman 45
Elizabeth Dedman 42
Elizabeth A. Dedman 17
Frances Rumble 62
(and various other servants etc)
1891, staying with Thomas Wood & family. An Ancestry user has suggested her name's Frances Elizabeth, but I think it's Frances Amelia:
1891 England Census about France Rumble
Name: France Rumble
[Frances Elizabeth Rumble]
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Buxted, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours
Town: Forest Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Lewisham
Sub-registration District: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 525
Folio: 145
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wood 36 Buxted, Sussex
Ellen Wood 37
Charlotte E Wood 12
Jessie Wood 5
Rosette Noakes 23
France Rumble 72
Taking Thomas Wood back to 1861, he's with his grandfather Charles Wood, parentsCharles and Charlotte Wood (nee Hall) and stepsisters Ellen & Fanny.
1861 England Census about Thomas Wood
Name: Thomas Wood
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Buxted, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Buxted
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Uckfield
Sub-registration District: Maresfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 52
Piece: 577
Folio: 20
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Wood 68
Charles Wood 27
Charlotte Wood 31
Ellen Hall 11
Fanny Hall 9
Thomas Wood 5
John Wood 3
George Wood 1
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Charlotte Sellar Hall
Name: Charlotte Sellar Hall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1855
Registration District: Uckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 105
Records on Page:
Name
Charlotte Sellar Hall
Charles Wood
1851 England Census about Charlotte Hall
Name: Charlotte Hall
[User-submitted-comment]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Hall <<<No, Robert's her brother.
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Buxted, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Buxted
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Uckfield
Sub-registration District: Rotherfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 58
Piece: 1640
Folio: 614
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Hall 19
Charlotte Hall 21
Ellen Hall 1
1841 England Census about Charlotte Hall
Name: Charlotte Hall
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Buxted
Hundred: Loxfield Dorset
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Uckfield
Sub-registration District: Maresfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1116
Book: 1
Folio: 20
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Trayton Hall 20
Charlotte Hall 11
Robert Hall 9
Richard Hall 7
John Hall 5
So, is Charlotte Wood, nee Hall, a relation of Frances Amelia Rumble, nee Hall?
And is this anything at all to do with your Charles Roumble/Rumble/Wood???
Or just coincidence?
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ArgyllGran no idea but I will certainly look into it.
Another thing I was just thinking I remember hearing somewhere that the person named in the father section wasn't always the father ie could have been an older brother or other family member that raised him - but then again with the same name that might not work either.
Back to the drawing board me thinks. :-D
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Should have looked there first, I suppose, but have just found a tree on Ancestry which says Charlotte and Frances were sisters. Parents John Hall and Ellen Sellar Parsons.
No verification, though, and no mention of their husbands and children.
But therefore a likely Wood/Roumble/Rumble link - though maybe not the right ones!
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/9232910/person/317761879.
Now I'll go and do something else!
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Yes, honestly, Im going to do something else!
But -
that 1891 census above gave the address as 4 Malham Road.
Charlotte and Charles Wood & family live next door, at 6 Malham Road.:
1891 England Census about Ada Wood
Name: Ada Wood
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Perry Hill, Catford Kent
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours
Town: Forest Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Lewisham
Sub-registration District: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 525
Folio: 145
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Wood 57
Charlotte Wood 61
Frank Wood 25
William S Wood 27
Frank Fred Wood 21
Charles Cannerop 19 (possibly Cairncross; hard to read) adopted son, Forest Hill, Kent.
Ada Wood 10 grand-daughter, Perry Hill, Catford, Kent
It's a pity the adopted son's name isn't Rumble! And the birthplace is different. Anyway, we've already got Charles Wood with first wife in 1891.
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Thanks Argyllgran I'll have a closer look when things quiten down here at work. My internet at home is rubbish takes an hour to load a page. :-|
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