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alfred redfern born 1909

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Janette

Janette Report 29 Jul 2013 17:02

hi can any one help please,i have got limited time on ancestery 1911 census,i have tried to find my grand father on there he was born 1909 in sheffield his older brother was called george redfern born i think 1907 sheffield.the parents were called george redfern and ellen redfern,i just can not find him any were please help thanks

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Jul 2013 17:09

?? different name for mother. Do you have an occupation for his father?


1911 England Census
Name: Alfred Redfern
Age in 1911: 6/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Walters Ave Nornabell St Hull Yorkshire
Registration District: Sculcoates

George Redfern 28
Ada Redfern 28
George Redfern 6
Ada Redfern 4
Thomas Henry Redfern 3
Alfred Redfern 6/12

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Jul 2013 17:13

I guess these are the parents!

Marriages Jun 1907
REDFERN Ellen Sheffield 9c 862
REDFERN George Sheffield 9c 862

Rambling

Rambling Report 29 Jul 2013 17:13

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)

REDFERN Ellen Sheffield 9c 862
REDFERN George Sheffield 9c 862

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Jul 2013 17:19

OR:

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Jessop Ada Sculcoates 9d 385
Redfern George Sculcoates 9d 385

First child born 1905.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jul 2013 17:20

Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
REDFERN Alfred Sheffield 9c 578

Janette

Janette Report 29 Jul 2013 17:21

alfreds father was a razor grinder and he had been in the army father was born in massachusetts ellen born sheffield when george and ellen married lived at 6/10 hoyle street sheffield

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jul 2013 17:24

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
REDFERN George Sheffield 9c 548
Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
REDFERN George Sheffield 9c 525

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jul 2013 17:28

Can't see hide nor hair of any of them.................and an address search does not turn up the 6/10 from the marriage cert

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Jul 2013 17:29

The family in 1891?

1891 England Census
about George Redfern Name: George Redfern
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Redfern
Mother's Name: Sarah Redfern
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcester, United States

Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Moorfields St Jude
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3816
Folio: 87
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
George Redfern 37
Sarah Redfern 31
Emily Redfern 15
George Redfern 8
Alfred Redfern 6
Walter Redfern 4
Arthur Redfern 3
Ernest Redfern 1

Son George is the only one born in Massachusetts, all others born Sheffield.

Janette

Janette Report 29 Jul 2013 17:39

only george was born in massachusetts others born in sheffield george and ellen lived 29 mathew street sheffield before they married.

Rambling

Rambling Report 29 Jul 2013 17:48

same family as Margee posted

1901 England Census about George Redfern
Name: George Redfern
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Redfern
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Moorfields Sheffield St Jude
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 273
Piece: 4363
Folio: 161
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
George Redfern 47
Sarah Redfern 41
Geo Redfern 17
Alfred Redfern 15
Walter Redfern 14
Arthur Redfern 12
Lizzie Redfern 9
Emily Redfern 4 Months
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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Jul 2013 17:49

Must admit I can't see them 1911 either. You say he had been in the army, when was this?
As a last try, what do you know about Ellen - birth year, father's name, birthplace?
Jan

Janette

Janette Report 29 Jul 2013 17:58

george and sarah was my grand father alfreds grand parents and there children were my grand fathers aunts and uncles.
alfred born 1909
george 1907 they also had siblings
ellen 1911
arthur 1913
harry 1917
john 1922
there was talk in the family that two children died
john and alice but not certain on those two.
but still can not find my grand father on 1911 census he died in 1980
thanks

Rambling

Rambling Report 29 Jul 2013 17:58

I think this may be the family from 1901?

1911 England Census about Eliz Redfearn
Name: Eliz Redfearn
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 35 Dun St
Marital Status: Single
Registration District: Sheffield
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration District: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 27889
Household Members:
Name Age
George Redfearn 56 <<<<Razor grinder
Walter Redfearn 24
Eliz Redfearn 19
Ada Redfearn 24
Sarah Redfearn 4
Walter Redfearn 2
Ada Redfearn 8/12

Janette

Janette Report 29 Jul 2013 18:09

hi george enlisted in the army 17-11-1914 for four years reg number 2954 4th battalion york and lanc.some one said there was 31 pages on him on ancestery but i can not get to see them.i was told they were damaged.
ellens mother was called martha but father unknown

patchem

patchem Report 29 Jul 2013 18:17

Ellen's birth certificate for 1911 will have an address which may help.

Mary

Mary Report 29 Jul 2013 18:25

On George's war records they are at the same address in 1914 when he enlisted which should read I think 6 court 10 House Hoyle Street.

Ellen was still at this address in 1935 when George died and Ellen was trying to get some sort of pension for him.
These records are also on his war papers.

Maryb.

Janette

Janette Report 29 Jul 2013 18:32

how can i read the war papers please

Janette

Janette Report 29 Jul 2013 18:35

ellens address was 7-4 ct radford street sheffield.died in 1958 at same address