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Births Mar 1869 Prizeman Walter Robert Dartford 2a 385

Births Jun 1871 Prizeman Mary Ann E Dartford 2a 362
or
Births Dec 1872 PRIZEMAN Mary Ann A Dartford 2a 370

Perhaps
Births Sep 1874 Prizeman Emma Lambeth 1d 313

Births Mar 1876 PRIZEMAN Rosina St. Saviour 1d 24

Births Dec 1878 PRIZEMAN Frederick Poplar 1c 729

Possible
Births Dec 1879 Prizeman Alfred St. Saviour 1d 147
Deaths Dec 1879 Prizeman Alfred 0 St. Saviour 1d 99

Births Sep 1881 Prizeman George Arthur Greenwich 1d 984

Births Dec 1882 Prizeman Alfred Greenwich 1d 1024

Births Jun 1885 Prizeman Eliza Greenwich 1d 1001

Births Mar 1890 Prizeman James Forest Greenwich 1d 1109 (transcription error probably)

This could be Emma in 1891 if she's the one born in Lambeth.

1891 England Census
Name: Emma Prizeman
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camberwell St Giles
Town: Dulwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Havil Street, Ward 3
Occupation: Inmate
Registration District: Camberwell
Sub-registration District: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: Camberwell Infirmary

I don't see this posted ............

Walter and Mary Ann Day's marriage form ancestry



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Walter Prizeman

Name: Walter Prizeman
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Day
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Nov 1868
Parish: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Prizeman
Spouse Father Name: John Day
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

Walter
Occupation:- Lighterman
Address:- Catherine Street
Father occupation:- Lighterman

Mary Ann
no occupation shown
Address:- Catherine Street
Father occupation:- Lighterman

Witnesses:- Mary Ann Smith (her mark) and George ????

I can't read the surname of witness George ......... but his name appears on other certificates, so he is probably a "professional witness".



Then there is this marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Walter Prizeman

Name: Walter Prizeman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Age: 44
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Cross
Spouse Age: 54
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Dec 1892
Parish: Bermondsey St James
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Nelson Prizeman
Spouse Father Name: John Burgess
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

Walter
Widower
Occupation:- Lighterman
Address:- 58 Princes Road
Father's occupation:- Lighterman

Elizabeth
Widow
no occupation shown
Address:- same
Father occupation:- Labourer (deceased)

Witnesses:- P. Singleton and E.M. Cutting




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Walter with his parents in 1851

1851 Census

Name: Walton Periman
[Walter Prizeman]
[Walton Prizeman]
[Walter Periman]
[Walter Periman]
[Walter Prizeman]
[Walton Prizman]
[Walton Prizeman]
[Walton Prizeman]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jas Nelson Periman
Mother's Name: Elizth Periman
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-registration District: Waterloo Road First

Jas Nelson Periman 43 b.a 1808, Lambeth, Lighterman
Elizth Periman 34 b.ca 1817, Westminster, Middlesex
Henry Periman 18 Lighterman
Alfred Periman 19 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I think his age is 12 on the image
George Periman 7
Fredk Periman 5
Walton Periman 1
Chrowles Periman 1


Additional surname change submitted to ancestry by other people for all family members .................. to Prizeman




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could this be Elizabeth's death???



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth Prizeman

Name: Elizabeth Prizeman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1906
Age at Death: 68
Registration District: St Olave Bermondsey
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 114

I note that Elizabeth / Eliza has apparently lost 20 years in the 1901 Census!

She is now 10 years younger than Walter, whereas she was 10 years older when they married in 1892!!

Name Age
Walter Prizeman 54 Bargeman
Eliza Prizeman 44, Shopkeeper <<<<<<<<< b.ca 1857, Great Oakley, Essex
Alfred Prizeman 18, Shipwight apprentice



Her age is definitely written as 44 on this census, and as 54 in the Parish Register!

????????????????

This is a weird one ...............

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Burgess
Name: Elizabeth Burgess
Spouse Name: George Eatwell
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Apr 1866
Parish: Bermondsey St Luke
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Burgess Labourer
Spouse Father Name: Jurden Eatwell
Register Type: Parish Register


Censuses show her to be born ca 1838 in Great Oakley, Essex. She's a widow living in Rotherhithe on the 1871, 1881 and 1891 Censuses.

But I can't then find her



could this possibly be the Elizabeth "Cross" who married Walter in 1892????

It does help when birth dates and places are added to posted censuses!

Isabel Rosali in 1911

Name: Isabel Rosali Priseman
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: J F P
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Poplar, London, England
Civil Parish: Upchurch
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: Barque Lion, Rainham, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Registration District: Milton
Registration District Number: 61
Sub-registration District: Milton

Walter Priseman 64
Isabel Rosali Priseman 45



I have no idea what "J.F.P." means as her relationship to Walter!!

However her name on the image is Isabel Rosalie

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church Holy Trinity Pr
RegisterNumber 230
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 11 Feb 1872
Forename Mary Ann Elizabeth
Sex -
FatherForename Walter
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname PRIZEMAN
MotherSurname
Abode Lambeth
FatherOccupation Lighterman

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church Holy Trinity Pr
RegisterNumber 231
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 11 Feb 1872
Forename Walter Robert
Sex -
FatherForename Walter
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname PRIZEMAN
MotherSurname
Abode Lambeth
FatherOccupation Lighterman

County Kent
Place Belvedere (Erith)
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 216
MarriageDate 25 Dec 1889
GroomForename Walter
GroomSurname PRIZEMAN
GroomAge 20
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Waterman & Lighterman
GroomAbode Harrow Rd
BrideForename Alice
BrideSurname PRIZEMAN
BrideAge 19
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Harrow Rd
GroomFatherForename Walter
GroomFatherSurname PRIZEMAN
GroomFatherOccupation Waterman & Lighterman
BrideFatherForename Charles
BrideFatherSurname PRIZEMAN
BrideFatherOccupation Waterman & Lighterman
WitnessOneForename Charles James Nelson
WitnessOneSurname PRIZEMAN
WitnessTwoForename Mary Elizabeth
WitnessTwoSurname PRIZEMAN

(above from below, if fitting anywhere!)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

thank you to all for your post great help