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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Barnard Name: Mary Ann Barnard
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1853
Registration District: Chelmsford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 163
Records on Page: Name
Mary Ann Barnard
John Green


Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
Barnard Harriett Chelmsford 4a 203
Green Thomas Chelmsford 4a 203



..1861 England Census
about Harriett Green Name: Harriett Green
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Green
Gender: Female
Where born: West Hanningfield, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Rettendon
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 52
Piece: 1078
Folio: 30
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Green 27 (Publican)
Harriett Green 26
Alice Green 1
Catherine Green 2 Months
Elizh Barnard 13>>>>Sister in Law
James Slade 60 (Lodger)
Josef Smee 20 (Lodger)
James Claxon 19 (Lodger)

Another marriage to a "Green"...

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Charles Barnard Name: Charles Barnard
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1860
Registration District: Chelmsford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 207
Records on Page: Name
Charles Barnard
Mary Ann Green


Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
Barnard Elizabeth Chelmsford 4a 225
STEER Arthur Chelmsford 4a 225


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: STEER, Elizabeth
Address: 4 Stafford Terrace Stafford Road Wallington

STEER, Arthur Head Married M 74 1837 None Surrey Lingsfield VIEW
STEER, Elizabeth Wife Married41 years F 63 1848 Essex Sth Haningfield VIEW
STEER, J Arthur Son Single M 30 1881 Greengrocer Surrey Croydon VIEW
STEER, Frederick C Son Single M 28 1883 Greengrocer Surrey Croydon VIEW
STEER, Edith E Daughter Single F 24 1887 Draper Assistant Surrey Croydon VIEW
NORRINGTON, Kate L Daughter Married8 years F 33 1878 Assistant In Business Surrey Croydon VIEW
NORRINGTON, Farrina E Granddaughter F 7 1904 Surrey Croydon VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3426
Reference: RG14PN3426 RG78PN129 RD39 SD6 ED6 SN10
Registration District: Croydon
Sub District: Mitcham
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Beddington
Address: 4 Stafford Terrace Stafford Road Wallington
County: Surrey
(9 children born, 8 living, 1 had died)


Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
Barnard Lucy Chelmsford 4a 313
PERRY John Chelmsford 4a 313



..1881 England Census
about Lucy Perry Name: Lucy Perry
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: John Perry
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Chignal Smealy
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Village Shop
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Writtle
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1764
Folio: 103
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
John Perry 39
Lucy Perry 28
Frank Perry 6
John Perry 3
Jane Harvey Perry
Frederick Barnard 1>>>> Nephew


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Robert Hyde Barnard Name: Robert Hyde Barnard
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1875
Registration District: Chelmsford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 240
Records on Page: Name
Robert Hyde Barnard
Charlotte Miller


Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
BARNARD Albert Epping 4a 139
Jones Emily Jane Epping 4a 139

Thank you again folks, even more confused! Why did I have to be from a family of Smiths! Doesn't make this easy! I know they lived at Mill Hill Farm for sure but not sure about the other places. :-S

Still stuck!! Is there any way to find James Smith Dad without getting a marriage certificate?

I think you may have slipped a generation. Assuming this is the birth of your father

Births Dec 1941 (>99%)
Smith Reginald Nock Chelmsford 4a 1137 Scan available - click to view

Then this is his parents marriage

Marriages Sep 1941 (>99%)
NOCK Constance W Smith Chelmsford 4a 2287
Smith Harry Nock Chelmsford 4a 2287

So, I think this is more likely to be Harry James born 1904?

Regarding James' parents, it is going to be difficult to be sure without the marriage certificate

Jude

Burial (Find My Past)
Forenames:JAMES
Surname:SMITH
MI Ref:399
Year text:1902
Year:1902
Comments:
Location:Rettendon
Church:All Saints
Denomination:Anglican
County:Essex
Country:England
CD volume:
Record source:Essex Memorial Inscriptions
Data provider:Essex Society for Family History

Burial
Forenames:SUSAN
Surname:SMITH
MI Ref:399
Year text:1901
Year:1901
Comments:
Location:Rettendon
Church:All Saints
Denomination:Anglican
County:Essex
Country:England


http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/EssexAncestors.aspx

(above for Essex Parishes, subscription needed)

Chris :)

Daniel, I just happened to be using SEAX (Essex archives) this morning, on credits for 24 hours.

I found the following, but nothing more than you can already see from the 1841 census that has already been posted.

Baptised Rettendon -
Daniel 25/6//1815 and James 17/3/1820
Parents William and Elizabeth Smith - a butcher

Marriage 19/11/1811 - All Saints, Rettendon
William Smith (bachelor) (a cross for signature) and Elizabeth Kendal (spinster)(signed)

Witnesses: William Green, Elizabeth Smith and Henrater Rolph (well that's what it looks like).

Unfortunately, I need to go out now.

Still confused!! Not sure if there is 2 James Smith's in the same area! 1841 has The whole family William & Elizabeth & 8 children @ Wick House, 1851 has William,Elizabeth+4 children James not being one of them @ Hawk Inn, but also another page has the Hawk Inn again in 1851 with a Mann Family living there(Hawk Inn) with James as a lodger! 1861 Willaim & Elizabeth+grandson living at Hoe lane. 1871 Has William,Elizabeth + James(unmarried). I know my grandad Harry Smith was born in 1870, so I can understand maybe they wasn't married but does this mean they wasn't living togther either? Where is he in 1861?

Daniel - are you sure he is your grandad and not your great grandad? For him to be your father's father i.e. your grandad, Florence would have to be dead, he would have to have remarried to Constance and would be 71 at the time of Reginald's birth!

I personally would get the marriage certificate of Harry and Constance.....

Jude

? Yes He is my great Grandad! Sorry if I confused things! My dad is Reg Smith, his dad is Harry Smith, His dad James Smith!

Daniel, There's only the one James Smith born around 1820 from Rettendon. The one in the 1871 census living as a lodger is your one.

Baby son, Harry, is living with his mother, Susan Barnard, in 1871. They are both living with Susan's parents, John and Lucy Barnard.

Harry is under the name of Harry S. Barnard.

He was baptised in Rettendon on 21/8/1870 as Harry Smith Barnard - mother Susan. No mention of his father.

Hello, So I started off by trying to find out information on my great Grandad James Smith I am now trying to find out more information on my great,great Grandad William Smith born 1788 Rettendon,Essex. Whats the chance of going back much futher than this? Is it possible to Look up where Wick House,Rettendon might have been?

http://pubshistory.com/EssexPubs/BattlesBridge/hawk.shtml

http://www.rettendonandbattlesbridge.org.uk/

http://www.esfh.org.uk/

(although needs checking!)

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/

(quite a bit on above, in general)

(above might be able to help, have a look round on google, any library near to)


Not sure there is much online Parish Records, you need the Seax website, to look up Baptisms etc.

Chris :)

edits (have you checked 'Search All Members Trees' (top right of page, under 'Search') in fact I think LadyKira helps out here!.

I'm stuck on finding anything more about Elizabeth Kendall I think Born 1895 To my Great,Great,Great Grandad William Smith born 1788 Rettendon Essex. Can anyone help? Not been able to find anyhting on her!

Sorry Daniel, don't understand your post. Who is Elizabeth Kendall born 1895?

She is my great,great,great grandmother My grandad Harry Smith,great grandad was James Smith, My great,great Grandad was William Smith and it's his wife! I've been told there might be a Royol connection in the family somewhere and told it might be along this line?!
thanks

Are you sure she was born 1895?
If so, she can´t be wife of William Smith b 1788.
Do you mean 1795?

1841
KENDLE, John M 25 1816 Essex (Butcher)
KENDLE, Mary F 20 1821 Essex
Piece: 326
Book/Folio: 10
Page: 14
Registration District: Chelmsford
Civil Parish: Rettendon
Municipal Borough:
Address: Wick House, Rettendon
County: Essex


Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
KENDAL John Chelmsford 12 55
Wright Mary Ann Chelmsford 12 55

http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/placeR/essexr09b.html

(could perhaps relate, also the Ann Kendall)


1841
SAVILL, William M 65 1776 Essex (Grocer)
SAVILL, Mary F 55 1786 Essex
SAVILL, William M 28 1813 Essex
Piece: 326
Book/Folio: 24
Page: 16
Registration District: Chelmsford
Civil Parish: Rettendon
Municipal Borough:
Address: Brook House, Rettendon
County: Essex

(from google, above Marriage 1806 Mary Kendal)

Chris :)

(interesting just looking round Rettendon 1841)

Sorry yes my mistake it was meant to be 1795. They was Married 19/11/1811 - All Saints, Rettendon. If they are from out of the Rettendon area and move into the area is there any way of tracing where they have come from?

What makes you think they are out of area Daniel, have a look back at Census records posted earlier.

You need Seax for Parish Records.

Chris :)

Sorry if I make things confusing! I can trace Elizabeth Kendall from 1811 she married William Smith, 1841 she was living at Wick House,Rettendon age 40,1851 living at Hawk Inn Rettendon age 56,1861 Living at Hoe lane age 60,1871 Living by Chelmsford road age 76. I find it hard as her age and the spelling of her surname seem to change! Just wanted to find out where she was born and who her parents where.

Thanks for all your help and patients!