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If anyone can suggest additional resources to help me in my quest to definitely identify my gg grandmother and her ancestors I would be most appreciative. Those resources would have to be available online as I live in Australia.
I have researched using all the obvious ones, like FreeReg etc., but have got stuck.

I think I found her baptismal record as for Mary Ann Walter_ baptised 11 Mar 1821 in Batcombe Somerset. Her father is given as Richard occupation cordwainer and mother as Ann.

But I can find no trace of her parents or whether she had other siblings.

So if there are sources out there that I have been unable to find that may be helpful I would really appreciate it if any of you experts could suggest them to me.

Thanks and Happy New Year to everyone.

John

Who did she marry and do you have a marriage cert naming her father?

There is a tree on ancestry that says a Ann Walters born 1821 somerset married Samuel Nichols


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ann Watters
Name:
Ann Watters
Spouse Name:
Samuel Edward Nichols
Record Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
18 Aug 1839
Parish:
St George in the East
Borough:
Tower Hamlets
Father Name:
Samuel Watters >>>Shipwright
Spouse Father:
William Nichols
Register Type:
Parish Register

Thanks for your help and interest Jax.

I got her father and mothers' names from her baptismal record.

Ann, as far as I know did not marry and she had two sons, William and Alfred. I think I found her in the 1841 census in Bristol living with a family called Bailey who I think owned a pub.

I found her son William as he enlisted in the Grenadier Guards and I got info from the regiment's archivist who was very helpful. But William enlisted in Cork which makes me think that Ann and her sons went to Ireland which is why they vanish from the census records. Mrs Bailey was from Ireland, maybe that is the connection.

It is very frustrating!

Cheers

John

John, in order to help - and to confirm whether there is any chance of the baptismal record being the correct one - we need to know how you get back to her

Jude

1841 (Reference)
BAILEY, John M 65 1776 (Brewer)
BAILEY, Ann F 60 1781 Ireland
WALTERS, Ann F 20 1821 Somerset
WALTERS, William M 5 1836 Somerset
WALTERS, Alfred M 2 1839 Somerset
BENNETT, George M 15 1826 Somerset
RICHARDS, Ann F 25 1816
RICHARDS, Jane F 9 1832
RICHARDS, Ann F 5 1836
Piece: 373
Book/Folio: 20
Page: 35
Registration District: Bristol
Civil Parish: St Michael
Municipal Borough: Bristol
Address: Bristol Steps, St Michael, Bristol
County: Gloucestershire


Baptism
County Somerset
Place Frome
Church Workhouse
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 25 Jul 1836
BaptismDate 24 Sep 1836
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname
MotherSurname WALTERS
Abode Frome
FatherOccupation
Notes Illegitimate

Not sure if him, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

Births Sep 1839 (>99%)
-------------------------------------
Walters Alfred Bath 11 2

BaptismDate 03 Jul 1839 (could be above Birth)
Forename Alfred
Sex M
FatherForename Joseph
MotherForename Harriet
FatherSurname WALTERS


edits

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Batcombe
Church St Mary the Virgin
RegisterNumber 230
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 11 Mar 1821
Forename Frederick
Sex -
FatherForename Richard
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname WALTER
MotherSurname
Abode Batcombe
FatherOccupation Cordwainer

Hey Jude

Simply searching the baptismal records until I found one that looked as though it could apply and did not contradict the info I was relying on, which was her son William's marriage certificate.

He stated that his father was Richard Walters a cordwainer and was deceased.

Because his mother was unmarried I wondered if he was in fact referring to his grandfather and not wishing to disclose that his mother was unmarried. As she was in Ireland (presumably) that was a good excuse for her not to go to his wedding.

Cheers,

John

How certain are you that the marriage cert for William is for a son of Ann?

Is he your proven direct line?

As you appear to have access to census records, have you tried looking for Richard?

On which site did you find Mary's baptism?

HI Reggie

I am not CERTAIN of any of the things. It just seems to me that from my researches that none of the information I found contradicted any of the other information.

Yes, I tried looking for Richard in the census records but found nothing that could be definitely him.

I found ANN's baptism on FreeReg.

Cheers

John

So who is your PROVEN ancestor?

Related searches

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1290000

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1326830

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1287494

Couple of questions John..

How do you know that the William Walters that married Lucy Puttock is the son of
Ann?

When did he enlist with the Grenadiers in Cork?

Jude

On your other thread it was said that the 1841 census says born' in the county' which would mean Gloucestershire NOT Somerset

There is no where on that page where Somerset is mentioned (apart from transcription on FMP and I guess Genes) so it must be a mistake it does not say Somerset on Ancestry....They did not ask Where...just Yes, No or Scotland, Ireland or Foreign parts

I see I also replied two years ago giving the 1841 census and Alfreds possible birth reg, but you never returned to that one

If that is your tree on Ancestry you have William born 1836 somerset... marrying 1859 London and dying 1861 somewhere?

Have you found him on any census apart from 1841 that says Gloucestershire?....how do you know he was born Somerset and how do you know the William who joined the army in Ireland is your William

Also the marriage for William and Lucy states father Richard Walters Shoe maker...no mention of him being dec'd (but of course he could be)

Just following him through the census records

1841 census transcription details for: Westcombe Street, Batcombe

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 963
Book/Folio: 1/5
Page: 3
Reg. District: Shepton Mallet
Sub District: Evercreech
Parish: Batcombe
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Westcombe Street, Batcombe
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WALTER, Richard M 45 1796 Somerset>>>>>>>Shoemaker
WALTER, Hannah F 45 1796 Somerset
WALTER, Richard M 15 1826 Somerset
WALTER, Jane F 13 1828 Somerset
WALTER, Ellen F 10 1831 Somerset
WALTER, Clara F 9 1832 Somerset
WALTER, George M 7 1834 Somerset
WALTER, William M 4 1837 Somerset

1851 census transcription details for: Kale Street, Batcombe

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1933
Folio: 174
Page: 13
Reg. District: Shepton Mallet
Sub District:
Parish: Batcombe
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Kale Street, Batcombe
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WALTER, Ann Head W F 30 1821 Char Woman
Brewham, Somerset
WALTER, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 11 1840 At Home
Batcombe, Somerset
WALTER, Frederick Son Unmarried M 9 1842 At Home
Wellington, Somerset
WALTER, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844 Scholar
Wellington, Somerset
WALTER, Henrietta Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Scholar
Batcombe, Somerset
WALTER, George Brother In Law Unmarried M 14 1837 Errand Boy &c
Batcombe, Somerset
WALTER, William Brother In Law Unmarried M 12 1839
Batcombe, Somerset

Maybe

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 435
Folio: 4
Page: 4
Reg. District: Farnborough
Sub District: 1 Farnborough
Parish: Farnborough
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Farnborough
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WALTERS, William Soldier Married M 24 1837 Private
Westcombe, Somerset

If that is them the father Richard was still alive when William married

Household transcription
1861 census

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Person: WALTER, Richard
Address: Broad Street, Batcombe
WALTER, Richard Head Widower M 66 1795 Shoemaker
Batcombe, Somerset VIEW
WOODBURY, John Boarder Unmarried M 21 1840 Agricultural Labourer
Pilton VIEW
COCK, William Boarder Unmarried M 19 1842 Agricultural Labourer
Batcombe VIEW
GROVES, Alexander Boarder Unmarried M 32 1829 Sawyer Labourer
At Sea VIEW

Ahhh...so the 1841 census that for Ann William and Alfred that John has based his research on is not his William?

We need John to come back and answer some questions..

Jude

Their daughter Lucy was born in Shere Surrey in 1859.
She appears on the 1861 with her mother Lucy (Soldiers Wife) and Grandmother Ann Puttock and 1871 as Neice to William and Emma Bridger with other members of the Puttock family.

Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912
Lucy Walters
Baptism Date:
10 Jan 1860
Shere, St James
Parish Shere
Father:
William Walters (Private Soldier)
Mother:
Lucy Walters

Chris :)

(if related below, his Baptism posted earlier, same date as the Mary Ann)

Marriage
County Somerset
Place Batcombe
Church St Mary the Virgin
RegisterNumber 4
MarriageDate 26 Dec 1837
GroomForename Frederick
GroomSurname WALTER
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Westcombe in Parish of Batcombe
BrideForename Ann
BrideSurname HILL
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Batcombe
GroomFatherForename Richard
GroomFatherSurname WALTER
GroomFatherOccupation Shoemaker
BrideFatherForename William
BrideFatherSurname HILL
BrideFatherOccupation Tanner
WitnessOneForename Henry
WitnessOneSurname GREEN
WitnessTwoForename John
WitnessTwoSurname SWAINE

1841
WALTER, Fredrick M 20 1821 Somerset
WALTER, Ann F 20 1821 Somerset
WALTER, Sarah F 3 1838 Somerset
Piece: 376
Book/Folio: 42
Page: 22
Registration District: Bedminster
Civil Parish: Bedminster
Municipal Borough:
Address: Stone Buildings, Bedminster
County: Gloucestershire


Burial
County Somerset
Place Batcombe
Church St Mary the Virgin
RegisterNumber 598
BurialDate 13 Jan 1850
Forename Richard
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname WALTER
Age 88
Abode Batcombe

Burial
County Somerset
Place Batcombe
Church St Mary the Virgin
RegisterNumber 74
BurialDate 21 Jun 1866
Forename Richard
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname WALTER
Age 72
Abode Batcombe


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1287495

(getting confusing!)

Can someone enlighten me? So are we saying that William's mother was NOT Ann but more likely Hannah?

And there were all these likely children..

WALTER, Richard M 15 1826 Somerset
WALTER, Jane F 13 1828 Somerset
WALTER, Ellen F 10 1831 Somerset
WALTER, Clara F 9 1832 Somerset
WALTER, George M 7 1834 Somerset
WALTER, William M 4 1837 Somerset
plus Frederick

And this is likely Hannah's death

First name(s): Hannah
Last name: WALTER
Date of burial 23 Aug 1841
Age at death: 46
Calculated year of birth: 1795
Place of burial Batcombe
Dedication: Blessed Virgin Mary
County: Somerset

Jude