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I am wanting to know what became of Frederick - Born June 1893 9d669 Northallerton. I already know the following:-
Born to James Holmes & Jane Robinson. Youngest of probably 7 children - Edith, Eliza Annie (my grandmother), Carrie, Henry (Harry), Evelyn, Jessie & Ethel.

1901 Aged 8
1911 - Living with Jane, his mother, and Ethel, his sister, at Court House, Northallerton where his mother was the caretaker.

In the territorials, Northallerton 1915, Private Fred Holmes (mentioned on a letter regarding his brother Harry's death).

Moved to York at some stage? then Rochdale?

Possibly sent post cards home from Italy to his Uncle, Fred Holmes of 18 Filey Terrace, York on 2.8.1918 and 23.8.1918 where he was possibly with the army.

Brother Harry died in 1915 in FWW.

Slight chance he married ? Harrison, born York and had a daughter Margaret E Holmes Born 1922, July/Aug/Sept Vol No 8 E Vol Page 70 in Rochdale.

If anybody could help me find out what became of him and his wife, daughter etc. I would be very grateful.

Birth registered as Fred

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: HOLMES, Fred
Registration district: Northallerton
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1893
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 669
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EDIT - and Fred on 1901/1911 census

Thanks Stuart - Fred not Frederick.

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Name: HOLMES, Fred

Registration district: [?] Skipton

County: Yorkshire

Year of registration: 1913

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Spouse's last name Harrison

Volume no: [?] 9A

Page no: [?] 27
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Name: HARRISON, Eva

Registration district: Skipton

County: Yorkshire

Year of registration: 1913

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Spouse's last name: Holmes

Volume no: 9A

Page no: 27

maybe ???
HARRISON, Eva Jane

Registration district: [?] York

County: Yorkshire

Year of registration: 1893

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:[?]9D

Page no:[?]5

Several trees on Ancestry with him on but no info re marriage/children/death

Sorry, got to go out unexpectedly.

Do you know his actual birthdate, could help pin a death down.

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Holmes Margaret E Harris Rochdale 8e 70

Thank you Maddie - at least I now know for sure that a Fred Holmes did marry a Harrison, what year and her Christian name and he would have been aged 20. My Fred Holmes was definitely in the territorials in 1915 and at some stage moved to Rochdale.

Thank you Stuart, Maddie & safc.

If Margaret E Holmes is his daughter does anyone have any information on her, or any siblings as well as her parents please.

Use freebmd to look for info.................

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

OR try...............

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

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Death

Name: HOLMES, Fred
Registration district: Leigh
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1977
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Date of Birth:5 April 1893
Volume no: 39
Page no: 2366

Birthplace should be recorded on the cert

That 1922 birth has MMN Harris..........NOT Harrison

You can't be absolutely sure it was your Fred Holmes who married Eva Harrison unless you get the certificate - it is a finding based on your "slight chance he married a ? Harrison" Or do you know he did?

Stuart - No, all I do know from a now deceased family member is that he was known to have lived in Rochdale and had a daughter, Margaret. Thank you, I will check those links Reggie.

James and Jane married Dec Qtr 1880 Northallerton.
1881 - together, no children on census

1891 - Edith ? with grandparents b Jun Qtr 1881 1
1891 - with parents
Eliza Annie - Dec 1882 2
Carrie - Sep 1884 3
Harry - Mar 1887 4
Evelyn - Jun1889 5
Jessie - 2 weeks old not seeing a registration for her 6

1901 -
Edith ? still with grandfather 1
Eliza Annie - ? where 2
Carrie - with Mother 3
Harry - with mother 4
Evelyn - ? d 1891 5
Ethel - aged 10 ? b Jun 1891 there is a Northallerton Registration, so are Jessie and Ethel the same person ? 6 or 7
Fred - Jun 1893 7 or 8

1911 - Jane at home with Ethel 20 and Fred 18

Did you see my post about the MMN?

If the man married a woman named Harrison, the birth CANNOT be his daughter

Reggie and Stuart, thank you. I don't know what Fred's wife's names were - but from what you say it would suggest her surname may have been Harris and their daughter born in Rochdale in 1922 was Margaret M N? Not very experienced in all this - I will look at the links you sent me. Just trying to find out whether Margaret is still alive or married and had a family who are around today.

Possible marriage for parents of Margaret Holmes born 1922 Rochdale

Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Thomas Holmes married Margaret Harris
Name: HOLMES, Thomas
Registration district: Rochdale
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1919
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Harris
Volume no: 8E
Page no: 55

After following Reggie's advice I have looked at the Lancashire BMD register and found the birth of Margaret E Holmes in Wardleworth, Rochdale in 1922. Sadly in the deaths details is the death of Margaret Ellen Holmes of Wardleworth, Rochdale, Aged 0 in 1922 so I think I now know I won't be finding any further details about Margaret however, it may be that Fred did go on to have other children. Thank you Stuart - that could be the marriage - but not sure why Fred would be calling himself Thomas.

Fred was not calling himself Thomas, you are obviously following the wrong man based on hear say probable's and possible matches of records in the index

You need to find and buy the correct marriage certificate in order to confirm who married who, (the cert will give you fathers details)If known, Only then can you possibly look for and confirm any possible children born to that marriage.

Roy