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thank you Marie, I am really not with it, must be getting too old for all this
Thanks again Kerryn

Hello Kerryn, you don't need to know the reference number in advance.

Go to Victoria BMD http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/

and search the historical indexes for James Sim's marriage, you have to enter your card details to view the results but once you've found it you can download the image straight away. You can decide whether you want a formal certificate $30.20 or an uncertified image $20. The latter contains all the info you need for family research.

EDIT: Cherilyn had previously given the link.

Hi again

I am hoping someone can give me a reference number for James Sim marriage To Beatrice Armstrong (Deakin) in Victoria Australia in 1927. I would like to purchase the marriage certificate but cannot find the numbers

Thanks again Kerryn

thanks

When ever you are unsure of where a registration district is, click on the district name on the Freebmd search result.

In this instance, the following window opens

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/districts.pl?r=157948234&d=bmd_1399917892

There is then a further (blue, underlined, word) link within the text which takes you to a list of Parishes covered by the District, and details of boundary changes.

To find out where a place is, use Google maps or a similar mapping site. Use the 'get directions' function to get an idea of the distance between 2 known places.

We'd have to do the same if the places were in an unfamiliar area/country/region!

Hi again

I can see the 4 births but am not sure where mt bosworth is in relation to Lancashire. The other 2 are in the same area. Any ideas? I actually think it will be arthur j and patricia - they are names some of the others have and now I can actually see them, I dont know why I couldnt find them


thanks again

Thanks for that, yes I am pretty sure that is the correct person, No I don't know where they are as my dad didn't know they existed until he finally got a full birth cert himself and by that time he was already old and my gp's had died so no one to ask. This is what started me on my research and I have actually never found any of them - in 6 yrs of research
It does't help that I am in Australila, If I was in England I could start knocking on doors
Thanks Kerryn

Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)
Sim Eleanor Thomas Bootle 10b 1425
Thomas John F Sim Bootle 10b 1425

Do you know if they stayed in the area? Use http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl to look for Thomas/Sim births.
There are 4 shown within the search parameters 1923-1950, but only the certificate would confirm their parents.

thanks so much. Did you find anything on the marriage of Eleanor to John Thomas? I would really love to find if they had kids or not. I have some in my tree (from copying other trees but I am not sure they are correct as I can't find any information on them
Kerryn

You can order any of these certs as a pdf image, downloadable straight away for A$20, from https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Beatrice's death?

Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985

Surname: WILLIAMS
Given Names: Beatrice Violet
Father: Unknown
Mother: UNKNOWN
Death Place: BELM
Age: 83
Year: 1972
Reg Number: 16647
Event: D


She was buried 25 Jul 1972 at Geelong Eastern Cemetery
EAS-COE-11-807-179 - same grave as James SIM!

and her (3rd?) husband's death:

Surname: WILLIAMS
Given Names: Thomas Haines
Father: Henry
Mother: Anna Maria BROWN
Death Place: GEEL
Age: 62
Year: 1955
Reg Number: 22809
Event: D

Here is the marriage reg

Digger - Marriage Index. Victoria 1921-1942

Family Name: SIM
Given Name: Jas
Spouse Family Name: ARMSTRONG
Spouse Given Name: Beatrice Violet
Registration Year: 1927
Registration Number: 1563
Event: M

There is a marriage for a Beatrice Violet SIM to Thos Haines WILLIAMS in 1942 (reg 15821) - perhaps she remarried?

The only other Jas SIM marriage in Victoria (assuming the son had no middle name) was to Druscilla/Drucilla GUY in 1933 (reg 5808). She deid in Ballarat in 1996 aged 91.

thank you so much everyone

Just posting for ref and full DOB


Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name:James Sim

Birth Date:1 May 1904

Age:0

Baptism Date:1 May 1904 <<image states May 18th 1904

Parish:Pendleton, St Ambrose

Parish as it Appears:Pendleton, St Ambrose

Father's Name:
James Sim

Mother's name:
Eleanor Sim

Reference Number:
GB127.L179/1/1/3



Annie Sim married in the same reg district as her brother James


Annie Sim - Power Apr-May-Jun 1926 Bucklow Cheshire



The brides name on the 1921 marriage entry for James Sim, reads 'May' Pugh, not Mary

http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

The above gives details to be expected on Australian BMD certs. Mind you, the information is only as true as the informants knowledge (or what they want people to think)

The Sim/Pugh marriage was in Bucklow not Salford

Q4 1921 - would make him 17 years old....

Jude

You need to buy the marriage cert for James to Mary Pugh which should list ages and both brides and grooms fathers names and occupation if known

Only buy certs from the GRO they cost £9.25 including P&P

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

I have never seen an ozzy marriage cert but i doubt it will list children,

If you edit/add to your thread title to include the word "Australia" it may attract members with the knowledge and resources to help


Roy

thank you so much for all of the above, all these records are correct, I now have another huge question regarding the same family but concerning the son

Sorry if I am going to confuse anyone but I am really trying to get my head around this.

James Sim (Snr) born 1882 south shields Son of George and Jane Sim married Eleanor Bates had 3 children,
eleanor died in 1913

Eleanor 1900 Lancashire (don't know death), Married John Thomas in Lancashire in 1923 have 2 possible children for her but cannot confirm any ??

Annie 1902 Lancashire married Eric Power 1926 died 1967 had daughter Patricia who born and died 1928

James 1904 Lancashire. Some trees say he married May Pugh in 1921 in Salford, these trees also say he had 2 children but I cannot confirm them. But...

James Sim Snr met Beatrice who had 3 children and decided to emmigrate to Australia (see last post) and marry Beatrice in Australia in 1927.

He traveled to Australia to have a look around (this record below) but according to these records James Sim Jr 1904 went along as well.

Find My Past image: says
Mr Jas Sim age 51 and Jas Sim Junr age 19 both of 4 Mona Terrace, Aston on Mersey departed on the 'Osterley' bound for Melbourne Australia on 20 July 1923.

I have found James sim snr returning to UK -probably to organise Beatrice who was now pregnant with another son called George James born 1925 in Manchester (know as James again)and then James Sim snr travelled back to Australia in 1924 on the Morton Bay. Beatrice and family followed a year later

Questions I am asking


Did James Sim 1904 son of James Sim snr and Eleanor Bates marry May Pugh?

If James Sim 1904 travelled to Victoria Australia in 1923 with his father like the ship record shows what happened to him. Did he return to England? Did he die? Did he settle anywhere in Australia?

If I purchased James and Beatrice marriage cert would it tell me about his children? Can anyone tell me the relevant numbers for the victorian marriage Certificate?

I hope I haven't confused anyone too much

Thanks for any help

Kerryn

His sisters marriage



Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name:Mina Lilly Sim

Birth Year:abt 1878

Age:23

Marriage Date:25 Mar 1901

Parish:Everton, Christ Church

Spouse's Name:
Attilio Verona

Father's Name:
George Sim <<Carpenter

Spouse Father's Name:
Antonio Verona

Reference Number:
283 CST/3/3

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name:James Sim

Gender:Male

Marital Status:Single

Age:24

Birth Date:1875

Marriage Date:9 Jul 1899

Marriage Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Father:
George Sim

Spouse:
Eleanor Bates

FHL Film Number:93941

Reference ID:It246 p87 cn173



1901 England Census

Name:James Sim

Age:29

Estimated birth year:abt 1872

Relation to Head:Head

Gender:Male

Spouse:Eleanor Sim

Birth Place:Jarrow, Durham, England

Civil Parish:Salford

Ecclesiastical parish:Ordsall in Salford St Clement

County/Island:Lancashire

Registration district:Salford

Sub-registration district:Regent Road

ED, institution, or vessel:29

Piece:3735

Folio:108

Page Number:25

Household schedule number:156

Household Members:

James Sim 29
Eleanor Sim 22
Eleanor J Sim 1




1911 England Census


Name:
James Lim
[James Sim]

Age in 1911:39

Estimated birth year:abt 1872

Relation to Head:Head

Gender:Male

Birth Place:Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish:Salford

County/Island:Lancashire

Street address:7 Rothwell St Salford

Marital Status:Married

Occupation:Dock Labourer

Registration district:Salford

Registration District Number:465

Sub-registration district:Regent Road

ED, institution, or vessel:10

Piece:24053

Household Members:

James Lim 39
Eleanor Lim 31
Eleanor Jane Lim 11
Annie Lim 8
James Lim 6