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OK - it's a new day in South OZ - Tuesday. After spending many hours I've been unable to locate a birth entry for Adam Dyson MORTON. He is with his parents on the 1880 census:
Adam D. Morton
Son
United States Census, 1880
birth: 1874 Canada
residence: 1880 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, United States

His marr. entry:
Name Adam Dyson Morton
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 28 Apr 1903
Event Place Brampton, Peel, Ontario, Canada
Age 28

and his Death Cert has:
Name: Adam Dyson Morton
Death Date: 30 Mar 1938
Death County or District: York
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875

We have proven that
Herbert Adam MORTON was b. 10 May 1874
Adam Dyson MORTON was b. between May 1874 & when brother
Charles Joe Forese MORTON on 1 Nov 1876 all . Brampton ONT CAN

So we have a window of between Feb 1875 & Feb 1876.

Adam Dyson MORTON was living in Michigan until his father (Robert Edward MORTON) died in 1891 when he returned to Brampton CAN and lived briefly with his Uncle (James Alexander MORTON). Would he have been on the USA SSI (Social Security Index)? If so, are we able to access it and what info would it give re birthdate?

Clutching at straws - and still looking for a living relative.....

Glenys

I was hoping to find him in 1911 - at least we'ld get his birth month, but...

Toronto city directory
1914
https://archive.org/stream/torontodirec191400midiuoft#page/n1188/mode/1up
[Morton Adam D rms 519 Dovercourt road]

1912
https://archive.org/stream/torontodirec191200midiuoft#page/1052/mode/1up
[Morton Adam D h Beatrice]

1908
https://archive.org/stream/torontodirec190800midiuoft#page/n887/mode/1up
[Morton Adam D, insp Bell Tel Co 123 Bay l 681 Church]
[Church is a blk E of yonge - 681 must be around Bloor]

Herbert and Adam are the one and same person!


Name: Herbert Adam Marton
Mother: Sarah Jane Trueman
Father: Robert E Marton
Birth: 10 May 1874 - Peel <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Name: Adam Dyson Morton
Mother: Sarah Morton
Father: Robert Morton
Birth: abt 1875 - Ontario <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<DOB 10 May 1874
Death: 30 Mar 1938 - York, Ontario, Canada


I have been looking at this for a possible death for Robert E Morton?

Can't see this person on any records in the area of MI, thinking the R has been mistranscribed to an 'L'

Maybe the informant entered the wrong details (in respect of his marital status) at the registration of his death?



Michigan, Deaths and Burials Index, 1867-1995


Name:L. Morton

Birth Date: abt 1850

Birth Place:Scotland

Death Date:7 Oct 1891 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Death Place:Borg..., Kalamazoo, Michigan

Death Age:41

Occupation:Contractor

Race:White

Marital Status:Married

Gender:Male

FHL Film Number:984130

I agree with Gins that Herbert Adam became Adam Dyson. One wonders why and where did the name Dyson come from?

Thanks for mgnv for supplying Directory info
and to Gins - Robert Edward MORTON d. A April 1891 and is in the Glenwood Cemetery in Flint, Genesse MI. Found him there yesterday on FindaGrave:
Morton, Robert E 119706229
b. Jun. 2, 1850 d. Oct. 7, 1891 Glenwood Cemetery
Flint
Genesee County
Michigan, USA

and his wife Sarah Jane MORTON is in the same cemetery.

Why a name change from Herbert Adam MORTON to Adam Dyson MORTON? Would his (1891) death cert. give his date of birth rather than just his age? Curious as I cannot locate his death Herbert's cert. or any other info on him.

Adam Dyson MORTON youngest sibling, Joy Fay MORTON was just 4 years of age when her mother died and 6 when he father died and is enumerated with her Uncle back in Brampton in the 1891 census.

Would there have been a naturalization cert. issued? Canada / America and then America / Canada??

still looking for a living relative.....

Hi Glenys

I'm totally confused over your last post :-S

'Why a name change from Herbert Adam MORTON to Adam Dyson MORTON? Would his (1891) death cert. give his date of birth rather than just his age? Curious as I cannot locate his death Herbert's cert. or any other info on him'

Herbert Adam Dyson Morton died in 1938

Full DOB 10th May 1874 as posted above


:-)

The name is Joy Fay on original here:

Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
about Icy Fay Morton Name: Icy Fay Morton
Death Date: 28 Sep 1936
Death County or District: York
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Birth Location: Seint Michegan
Father: Robert E Morton
Mother: Jane Morton

She was born Flint, Michigan, daughter of Robert E Morton born Scotlandand Jane born Ontario. Informant was Adam Morton, brother. She died of cerebral haemorhage brought on by asthma.

Now, here's confusion!


Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913

Name:Martin Mertin Woods

Date of Birth:12 Mar 1882

Gender:Male

Birth County or District:Huron

Father's Name:Jasa Alexander Morton <<Barrister at law

Mother's name:Jessie Helena Woods

Archive Name:Archives of Ontario

Archive Series:MS929

Archive Reel:54

Looks like he's Mort. W. Morton on the 1901 census but birthdate is given as 12 Nov. 1882. parents are J.A. Morton and Jessie H. Eliza A. Woods is mother-in-law.

1901 Census of Canada
about Ica Fay Morton Name: Ica Fay Morton
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Day & Month: 17 Feb
Birth Year: 1886
Birthplace: MI
Relation to Head of House: Niece
Immigration Year: 1890
Racial or Tribal Origin: American
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Methodist
Province: Ontario
District: Huron (east/est)
District Number: 73
Sub-District: Wingham (Town/Ville)
Sub-District Number: G-2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
J A Morton 52
Jessie H Morton 44
Mort W Morton 18
Ica Fay Morton 15
Eliza A Woods 80

I thought Jessie Woods married Adam (Herbert) Dyson Morton, yet on the birth for Morton W Morton (Woods) it gives the father as James Alex Morton


:-S

1891 Census of Canada

Name:Morton W Morton

Gender:Male

Marital Status:Single

Age:8

Birth Year:abt 1883

Birthplace:Ontario

Relation to Head of House:Son

Religion:Methodist

French Canadian:No

Father's Name:Jase Alx Morton

Father's Birth Place:Scotland

Mother's name:Jessie H Morton

Mother's Birth Place:United States

Province:Ontario

District Number:76

District:Huron East

Subdistrict:Wingham



Household Members:

Jase Alx Morton 42
Jessie H Morton 34
Morton W Morton 8
Elsie Sutherland 27




1921 Census of Canada

Name:Morton Morton

Gender:Male

Marital Status:Married

Age:38

Birth Year:abt 1883

Birth Place:Ontario

Relation to Head of House:Head

Spouse's Name:Lula Morton

Father Birth Place:Scotland

Mother Birth Place:USA

Racial or Tribal Origin:Scotch (Scotish)

Province or Territory:Ontario

District:Hamilton West

District Number:88

Sub-District:Ward No 3

Sub-District Number:10

City, Town or Village:Hamilton

Street or Township:86 Heckriver St

Municipality:Ward 3

Occupation:Manager

Income:6000


Household Members:


Morton Morton 38
Lula Morton 35

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
about Jessie Helena Woods Name: Jessie Helena Woods
Birth Place: United States NY State
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Father Name: Phelander Woods
Mother Name: Eliza Woods
Spouse Name: James Alex Morton
Spouse's Age: 30
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1850
Spouse Birth Place: Scotland
Spouse Father Name: Adam Morton
Spouse Mother Name: Janet Morton
Marriage Date: 5 May 1880
Marriage County or District: Peel


Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
about Jessie Lye Woods Name: Jessie Lye Woods
Birth Place: Brampton, Ontario
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Father Name: N N Woods
Mother Name: Emma R Lye Woods
Spouse Name: Adam Dyson Morton
Spouse's Age: 28
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1875
Spouse Birth Place: Brampton, Ontario
Spouse Father Name: Robert Morton
Spouse Mother Name: Sarah Trueman
Marriage Date: 28 Apr 1903
Marriage County or District: Peel

Ooo Margee...........I'm lost!

:-S

I should have checked the 1901 I posted more carefully:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000071544.pdf
As Gins has pointed out, there was no John G W Morton - he's really just a figment of the AG transcriber's making.

Re naturalization - it probably never happened.
On a technical note, pre-formation of the British commonwealth, there was no Canadian citizenship (nor Oz citizenship). Responsible colonies (like Canada, Oz, NZ, S Africa, Newfoundland) had citizenship courts, but these courts could only award British citizenship pre-commonwealth. Post-commonwealth, the Canadian courts could only award Canadian citizenship. There was a delay in legislation which left some Canadians stateless - they're still in this limbo. As you might infer, the Canadian government can be very frustrating - actually, frustrating enough to provoke 3 armed rebellions (1 successful). The first failed, and the ringleaders were transported to Oz dans un paysage étrange, to an area just outside of Sydney now known as Canada Bay (I think).

British citizenship thru the early 1970s depended solely on the citizenship of the father - the mother didn't count.

Early morning of 19th here!

Thanks all for your input in this MORTON chase, we now seem to be going over some things again (and maybe getting the issue of the 2 brothers confused).. Sometime later this morning I'll repost this Family Tree with all the updates.

John G. W. MORTON has been found in the 1901 Census:

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON HURON (East/Est) (#73)
Subdistrict: Wingham (Town/Ville) G-2 Page 3

11 27 Morton J A M Head M Aug 14 1848 52
12 27 Morton Jessie H F Wife M Aug 31 1856 44
13 27 Morton John G W M Son S Nov 12 1882 18
14 27 Morton Ica Fay F Niece S Feb 17 1886 15
15 27 Woods Eliza A F Mother in Law W Jun 12 1820 80
9 Shuter St

Glenys - no he's not been found - check the image.

Not sure where John G W comes from? The census you have just posted does not list him, it's Mort Morton


1901 Census of Canada

Age

J A Morton 52
Jessie H Morton 44
Mort W Morton 18 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ica Fay Morton 15
Eliza A Woods 80



If they had a son in March 1882, not sure they could have had another in Nov 1882


Name: Martin Mertin Woods <<<<Morton as on the 1901 census
Mother: Jessie Helena Woods
Father: Jasa Alexander Morton
Birth: 12 Mar 1882 - Huron

Gins - a dob 0f 12/11/1882 would give ages of 8/18 on the census, which is what we see. A dob of 12/3/1882 should give ages of 9/19. CAN YOU CHECK THE IMAGE on the b.cert, paying heed to any adjacent registrations if they're organized that way.

The DOB is as the above: 12 March 1882, registered 27 Nov 1882

The name on the image is: Morton Woods Morton

I presume that census information in Canada is only as reliable as the information given, as here in the UK.

Ages are more often than not, out by a year or two, or even more

Gins - thanks for doing that.

Your presumption is correct. However, it's a lot easier (and cheaper) to find stated dob's in Canada - one can find them on b.certs, d.certs, gravestones, 1901 census, 1911 census (but day is missing - just month given), WW1 attestation papers. As you say, the age is often out by a year or 2, but it is very unusual to find the b'day changing (apart from the tear).