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24 Apr 2014 21:58 |
I am researching Edmond Clarkson of Poonamalle, India, for my wife's side of our family. Edmond was Barrack St Major 40th MNI Poonamalle. Son of Edmond Clarkson, Preston Yorkshire. Alice Clarkson (Edmonds daughter) has a 94 year old grand daughter, alive in NZ, who is desperate for information on Alice and her family
Anything you are able to share with us would be so gratefully appreciated.
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alviegal
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24 Apr 2014 22:13 |
Do you have any dates to give us please?
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alviegal
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24 Apr 2014 22:16 |
Is this too early for Alice??
India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 about Alice Clarkson Name: Alice Clarkson Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Dec 1841 Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1842 Baptism Age: 0 Baptism Place: Moulmein, Bengal, India Father: Edmund Clarkson Mother: Margaret FHL Film Number: 498980
She was married very young.
India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948 about Alice Clarkson Name: Alice Clarkson Gender: Female Age: 15 Birth Date: 1842 Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1857 Marriage Place: Poonamallee, Madras, India Father: Edmund Clarkson Spouse: Richard Hart FHL Film Number: 463299
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alviegal
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24 Apr 2014 22:18 |
Or maybe this is her.
India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 about Alice Maud Clarkson Name: Alice Maud Clarkson Gender: Female Birth Date: 9 Jan 1881 Baptism Date: 21 Apr 1881 Baptism Age: 0 Baptism Place: Byculla, Bombay, India Father: Edmand Cooper Clarkson Mother: Agnes Caroline Reference ID: v 55 p 116 FHL Film Number: 523857
so this would be her father.
India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 about Edmund Cooper Clarkson Name: Edmund Cooper Clarkson Gender: Male Birth Date: 5 May 1854 Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1854 Baptism Age: 0 Baptism Place: Madras, Madras, India Father: Edmund Clarkson Mother: Phebe FHL Film Number: 463297
India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948 about Edmund Cooper Clarkson Name: Edmund Cooper Clarkson Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Age: 21 Birth Date: 1853 Marriage Date: 30 Dec 1874 Marriage Place: John Pereiras, Madras, India Father: Edmund Cooper Clarkson Spouse: Agnes Caroline Vincent FHL Film Number: 521862
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AnnCardiff
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24 Apr 2014 22:47 |
I gave you the information you were looking for by email
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24 Apr 2014 22:49 |
Name: Alice Clarkson Gender: Female Christening Date: 01 Jan 1842 Christening Place: Moulmein, Bengal, India Birth Date: 18 Dec 1841 Father's Name: Edmund Clarkson Mother's Name: Margaret Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75004-7 System Origin: India-EASy GS Film number: 498980 Reference ID: v 63 p 37
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24 Apr 2014 22:51 |
this is the information I sent to you - you didn't bother to respond
Name: Richard Hart Birth Date: 1829 Birthplace: Age: 28 Spouse's Name: Alice Clarkson Spouse's Birth Date: 1842 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 15 Event Date: 10 Jun 1857 Event Place: Poonamallee, Madras, India Father's Name: John Hart Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Edmund Clarkson Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00059-7 System Origin: India-EASy GS Film number: 463299
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25 Apr 2014 01:42 |
Hello Ann Thank you for the information on Richard Hart and Alice Clarkson Yes they are part of Edmond Clarkson's family. My response being delayed, 25 April is ANZAC day in NZ & Australia, a day when we pay tribute to our fallen war comrades.
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Chris Ho :)
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25 Apr 2014 09:25 |
The Indian Mutiny Medal Roll (British Forces) 1857-1859.
Richard Hart Rank Private Regiment or Ship 43rd Foot (Monmouthshire Light Infantry)
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php
(from above link, Regiment given on 1857 Marriage image, Find My Past)
Chris :)
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25 Apr 2014 11:38 |
Ted
For future reference, when you ask for help, please remember that it is essential to give dates
It is also worth noting that all of the birth and marriage detail provided above seems to be taken from the familysearch site, which is completely free to everyone
You could, therefore, have found it yourself, if you'd known about the site
here's the link................
https://familysearch.org
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25 Apr 2014 21:21 |
You probably have this already
Edmund remarried in 1846:
Bride's Forename Phebe Bride's Surname Cooper Bride's Age 18 Groom's Forename Edmund Groom's Surname Clarkson Groom's Age 39 Year Of Marriage 1846 Date Of Marriage 2 Sep 1846 Place Poonamallee Presidency Madras Bride's Father's Forename Thomas Bride's Father's Surname Cooper Groom's Father's Forename Edmund Groom's Father's Surname Clarkson Archive Reference N-2-8 Folio No. 66 Catalogue Description Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884, : Entry No. - Record set British India Office marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record says he was a widower, aged 39, a Garrison Sergeant major of Poonamallee and the son of Edmund Clarkson blacksmith of Preston, Yorkshire (deceased).
Phebe Cooper was an 18 yr old spinster from the Military O. Asylum {O for orphan's? ) daur of Thomas Cooper pensioner ??? 55th Regt (deceased)
Familysearch (free site mentioned earlier in thread):
https://familysearch.org/search
has several baptisms for children of Edmund and Phebe, namely Mary Jane, Edmund Cooper Clarkson, Esther Clarkson , Ellen Clarkson and Emma Ann Clarkson. Presumably the son Edmund Cooper Clarkson is the same one who appears earlier in this thread.
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Kucinta
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25 Apr 2014 21:43 |
Re the 1857 marriage of Richard H art and Alice Clarkson that Ann C posted, Richard was a bachelor and a private in the M 43rd (illegible initial) I
Presumably the something something Infantry, but not sure what the second initial was.
Possibly the Madras Native Infantry? But I'm guessing here.
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25 Apr 2014 21:49 |
Edmund and Margaret had at least one other child apart from Alice:
First Name Sophia Last Name Clarkson Date Of Baptism 25 Dec 1845 Date Of Birth 13 Mar 1845 Father's First Name Edmund Mother's First Name Margaret Place Madras Presidency Madras Father's Last Name Clarkson Mother's Last Name - Archive Reference N-2-24 Folio 378 Page - Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Births & baptisms
Sophia's marriage:
Bride's Forename Sophia Bride's Surname Clarkson Bride's Age 19 Groom's Forename John Groom's Surname Peters Groom's Age 21 Year Of Marriage 1864 Date Of Marriage 22 Jun 1864 Place Wellington Presidency Madras Bride's Father's Forename Edmund Bride's Father's Surname Clarkson Groom's Father's Forename Joseph Groom's Father's Surname Peters Archive Reference N-2-45 Folio No. 125 Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Entry No. - Record set British India Office marriages
John Peters was a fifer in the 44th M N I . They were bachelor and spinster.
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25 Apr 2014 21:56 |
Another child for Edmund and Margaret:
First Name William Edmond Last Name Clarkson Date Of Baptism 22 Nov 1843 Date Of Birth 22 Sep 1843 Father's First Name Edmund Mother's First Name Margaret Place Poonamallee Presidency - Father's Last Name Clarkson Mother's Last Name - Archive Reference N-2-C4 Folio 63 Page - Catalogue Description Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884 Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Births & baptisms
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Kucinta
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25 Apr 2014 22:07 |
Looks like Edmund had at least 3 wives....
This child is his by a wife named Charlotte:
First Name Thomas Clarkson Last Name Clarkson Date Of Baptism 6 Oct 1839 Date Of Birth 02 Oct 1839 Father's First Name Edmund Mother's First Name Charlotte Place Moulmein Presidency - Father's Last Name Clarkson Mother's Last Name - Archive Reference N-1-53 Folio 218 Page - Catalogue Description - Record set British India Office births & baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Births & baptisms
Image shows father Edmund to be a Sergt Major in the 40th M N I
They seem to have also had a previous short lived child of the same name:
Name: Thomas Clarkson Gender: Male Burial Date: 02 Nov 1838<<<<<<<<<< Burial Place: Moulmein, Bengal, India Death Date: 1838 Death Place: Age: 0 Birth Date: 30 Oct 1838<<<<<<<< Birthplace: Occupation: Child Race: Marital Status: Spouse's Name: Father's Name: Edmond Clarkson Father's Birthplace: Mother's Name: Charlotte Mother's Birthplace: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B39313-6 System Origin: India-EASy GS Film number: 498975 Reference ID:
This seems likely to be Edmund and Charlotte's marriage:
Bride's Forename Charlotte Bride's Surname Jones Bride's Age - Groom's Forename Edmond Groom's Surname Clarkson Groom's Age - Year Of Marriage 1837 Date Of Marriage 6 Dec 1837 Place St Thomas Mount St Thomas Presidency Madras Bride's Father's Forename - Bride's Father's Surname - Groom's Father's Forename - Groom's Father's Surname - Archive Reference N-2-8 Folio No. 89 Catalogue Description Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884, : Entry No. - Record set British India Office marriages
Edmond Clarkson Bachelor Corporal in the 2nd Battalion Artillery and Charlotte Jones spinster of St Thomas Mount Indo Briton were married by banns...
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25 Apr 2014 22:16 |
Edmund certainly got through a number of wives!!!!!!!
Bride's Forename Mary Bride's Surname Hopwood Bride's Age 41 Groom's Forename Edmund Groom's Surname Clarkson Groom's Age 51 Year Of Marriage 1859 Date Of Marriage 9 Nov 1859 Place Vepery Presidency Madras Bride's Father's Forename Richard Bride's Father's Surname Franklin Groom's Father's Forename Edmund Groom's Father's Surname Clarkson Archive Reference N-2-40 Folio No. 294 Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Entry No. - Record set British India Office marriages
Edmund is a widower, a pensioned Segt Major and his bride is a widow.
His daughter Ellen by 3rd wife Phebe was only born on 6th April 1859, so Edmund didn't hang about!
Phebe's death:
First Name Phebe Last Name Clarkson Date of Death 17 Apr 1859 Date Of burial 18 Apr 1859 Year Of Birth 1823 Age 36 Place Pursewalkum Vepery, Saint Matthias Presidency Madras Archive Reference N-2-11 Folio - Page 12 Catalogue Description Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884, : Record set British India Office deaths & burials Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Deaths & burials
Wife of Edmund Clarkson, retired Sergt Major. Cause of death was Remittent fever.
The infant Ellen rapidly followed her mother to the grave:
irst Name Ellen Last Name Clarkson Date of Death 20 Apr 1859 Date Of burial 21 Apr 1859 Year Of Birth 1844 Age 15 Place Vepery Presidency Madras Archive Reference N-2-40 Folio - Page 103 Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948 Record set British India Office deaths & burials Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Deaths & burials
Daur of Edmund Clarkson pensioned Sergt Major and Phebe his wife. Cause of death is hard to read but might be weekness (sic)
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25 Apr 2014 22:54 |
This might be a complete red herring as you don't say where Edmund is born, but we know he said at his 1846 marriage to Phebe Cooper his father was Edmund Clarkson blacksmith of Preston, Yorkshire (deceased).
Edmund was supposedly aged 39 in 1846, but he was marrying an 18 yr old so may have been flexible with his age....
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975" Name: Edmund Clarkson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Sep 1802 Christening Place: WENSLEY,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Edmd. Clarkson<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00920-2 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 207590 Reference ID:
Wensley is very close to a place called Preston under Scar.
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26 Apr 2014 14:21 |
Looking at the images of the baptisms of the children of Edmund Clarkson and Phenbe Cooper, it looks like Edmund was pensioned off sometime between the birth of Esther in 1856, and the birth of Ellen in 1859.
For Esther and the other children he is described as Garrison Sergt Major, but as previously stated in the birth and Death of Ellen, and death of wife Phebe. he is Pensioned Sergt Major.
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26 Apr 2014 14:24 |
Marriage for daur Emma Ann by Phebe:
Bride's Forename Emma Ann Bride's Surname Clarkson Bride's Age 18 Groom's Forename Robert Groom's Surname Spooner Groom's Age 26 Year Of Marriage 1868 Date Of Marriage 19 Feb 1868 Place Kamptee Presidency Bengal Bride's Father's Forename Edmund Bride's Father's Surname Clarkson Groom's Father's Forename Robert Groom's Father's Surname Spooner Archive Reference N-1-123 Folio No. 89 Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948 Entry No. - Record set British India Office marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain brightsolid online publishing ltd.
Robert Spooner was Acting Bombadier C Battery 14th Brigade Royal Artillery.
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26 Apr 2014 14:27 |
Edmund's daur Esther by Phebe married:
Bride's Forename Esther Bride's Surname Clarkson Bride's Age 18 Groom's Forename James Edmond Foster Groom's Surname Vincent Groom's Age 20 Year Of Marriage 1875 Date Of Marriage 9 Jun 1875 Place Madras John Pereira's Trinity Chapel Presidency Madras Bride's Father's Forename E Bride's Father's Surname Clarkson Groom's Father's Forename J D Groom's Father's Surname Vincent Archive Reference N-2-8 Folio No. 9 Catalogue Description Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884, : Entry No. -
James E F Vincent was a stoker on the railway.
EDIT: Son Edmond Cooper Clarkson (by Phebe )'s marriage to Agnes Caroline Vincent in 1874 had already been posted by alviegal. The FMP version of the marriage shows Agnes' father to be James Davis Vincent, so given James Edmond Foster Vincent's father is J D Vincent, it looks like a Clarkson brother and sister married a Vincent sister and brother.
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