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Mike,

Thanks for you help. gives me some more to go on

Gail

How about this one then:

Name: Jane Bell
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Nov 1828
Christening Place: Crosby-upon-Eden, Cumberland, England
Birth Date:
Father's Name: George Bell
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margaret

Yes, that's the one I posted earlier.
I know it's not 1830 birth but you never know how accurate ages are.

Sorry, Mike, I didn't notice you had already posted that christening record.

Not a problem.
A second opinion is good.

Thank you all for your help, given me more to go on, I now need to find out who Margarets parents were, she says on her marriage cert that Thomas Noble a joiner was her father will have to take a chance and send for one of the two birth certs from 1858 and state Thomas as the father, if not right then send for the other.

Gail

Neither of the 1858 Carlisle births may be Margaret Noble - if, as the 1861 census states she was born in Brampton then the birth should have been registered in the Brampton registration district. She may not have been registered.

Hi Flip I thought they had to be registered by then?
Gail

No, there were no penalties for not registering births until sometime around 1878 I believe, before this it was voluntary - but I'm sure someome will en-lighten us further.

If you need the parish registers for Brampton checking I can try, but it'll be a week or so before I get the chance to get to the Carlisle archive centre.

Checked it out and I was a few years out:

"However, registration did not become compulsory until 1875. Until 1875 there was no penalty for not registering a birth; after that a fine of £2 was introduced."

So, she may not have been registered ... Brampton is/was a fairly rural insulated community.

Thanks for that Flip.