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Does anyone have any information about Ava Horton b 1904 or 1906?

Hi Robert

Do you have any other info on Ava.......parents, siblings and birth place?

A quick search throws only this up?

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Ava Horton
Name: Ava Horton
Spouse Surname: Tobin
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1932
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2498
Find Spouse: Harold W H P Tobin

Could this be her?

Can see only one child born to this couple:-
Tobin Holroyd B Horton Thanet

This looks to be the death of above Ava:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Ava Tobin
Name: Ava Tobin
Birth Date: abt 1907
Date of Registration: Sep 1961
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 766

........which gives her date of birth as c.1907



................just in case this is correct, then this would be relevant to husband:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Harry William H P Tobin
Name: Harry William H P Tobin
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1901
Date of Registration: Jun 1982
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1817

Thank you for quick replies. Your information is correct. Ava Horton is the maiden name of my mother. I am trying to find out where she was born on 26 December 1904 or 1906. The marriage certificate shows no father. I do not have any living relatives who know any info. She was working in a confectionery shop in Margate, Kent in 1932 when she married my father.

?

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)

HORTON Female Maidstone 2a 853

I am the second son.

Hi Sirius

Could be. Problem is there is no Ava Horton shown on the 1911 Census, but many Hortons. There is a story from my late brothers wife that her father was a Norwegian Sea captain who brought her to England at an early age. Horton may not be her true maiden name - hence I am having great difficult tracing. Am hoping for someone tracing a family around 1907 - 1920 that might have 'adopted' her, or she may have been in an institution.
Have been trying since 2006 to find her birth place!!!

Sorry, have to leave for a while but will look back later.

I am wondering if that is the birth, but that her mother married afterwards? just checking a couple of marriages >>>

I think I've looked at most possible marriages between 1907 and 1911 in case Ava' s mum married and Ava took on a new surname, also looked at most of the parents of possible mothers to Ava, in case Ava was with grandparents. But still not found her I'm afraid.

But I think you can definitely discont the birth I posted for 'female Horton' as I think she died just after. ( HORTON Female 0 Maidstone 2a 458)

Just as a thought, do you recognise the names of witnesses on marriage cert? in case they are related to Ava in some way?

Unfortunately not, they were my father's relations. My father always said that he knew nothing about my mother's background. (That generation did not talk about their ancestors/partners).

There is this as well. Not suggesting it is your mother, just posting the same name. Doesn't help with a place of birth either.


Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription
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First Name Ava
Last Name Horton
Suffix -
Year 1927
Session Commencing Month Mar
Session Commencing Day 29
Age 21
Year Of Birth 1906
Place of Birth Town -
Place of Birth County -
Occupation Servant
Place Surrey
Court Kingston-upon-thames
Title Information A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace
Series HO140
Piece Number 405

She was received in prison on 24 Feb 1927 and bailed at court 7 March 1927.
She was accused of stealing 6 watches and other articles from Bentall's Limited and receiving but was found not guilty and discharged.

Robert can you tell us anything about your father's socioeconomic / cultural background that might shed light on the kind of marriage he was likely to make, or on your mother's herself, any clue as to her place of origin or social class etc. (manner of speaking e.g.)? you never met any family of hers?

Ava was a very unusual name at that time ... although there were several Avarina-s born in Wales for instance


alviegal was being very delicate but you would have to agree there is a striking resemblance on the facts!

Births Jun 1905
Baker Ava May W. Ham 4a 108

1911 in Plaistow

Matthew John Baker 31
Ava Letitia Baker 34
Ivy Ethel Baker 1
John Edward Baker 9/12
Ava May Baker 5
Violet Annie Baker 5

she is called stepdaughter of the head as is Violet ... but her name would not have been Baker if she was not his child - ?

oh well that is because Ancestry has made a pig's ear of the household

it really looks like this

Matthew John TAYLOR 31
Ava Letitia TAYLOR 34 married 2 years, 2 children born to the marriage and living
Ivy Ethel TAYLOR 1
John Edward TAYLOR 9/12
Ava May Baker 5
Violet Annie Baker 5

no indication of a connection, just the only available Ava in the vicinity :-)


Marriages Dec 1929
BAKER Ava M Thomson W Ham 4a 856
Thomson Francis Baker W.Ham 4a 856

there are Thomson-Baker births in West Ham in 1931 and 1932

and Ava May Thomson died 1987 in Thurrock

so that rules her out, as I am sure you had already done, but there is the info for anyone else checking

given how unusual (virtually non-existent) the name Ava was ......... Eva?


look at this one

1911

Name: Eva Horton
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Limehouse, London, England

Name: Amund Charles Hansen
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: France

Civil Parish: Ilford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 15 Mortlake Road, Ilford, Essex
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Clerk To stockbroker
Registration district: Romford

Amund Charles Hansen 27
Alice Horton 56
- mother of above married 20 years, no children to marriage,born Camden Town
George Horton 63
- stepfather of above, born Aldgate, stableman
Eva Horton 5


hmmmmmm


Marriages Dec 1891
Hansen Alice Whitechapel 1c 620
Horton George Whitechapel 1c 620

1901 they are in St Botolph without Aldgate
George is a horsekeeper groom
and they have an adopted daughter (transcribed by Ancestry as housemaid, one despairs)
Elizabeth ??Carpice, 5 mo, born Whitechapel

'Amand' Hansen is a Boarder in Suffolk age 17, no occupation shown, born in Havre France

no luck finding anyone in 1891 yet ...

there is another family in 1891 with an interesting Norway-France connection

in Brixton Lambeth

Hansen, mistranscribed, of course

Hans Hannen 31, commercial clerk, born Norway
Grace Hannen 25, actress, born California USA
Yronne Hannen 7 [or 9?], born France (she becomes a governess shown as born in Cognac)
Doris Hannen 5, born France

Hans is about 5 years younger than Alice [birth surname ?] Hansen Horton

but it's hard to see how they might be connected

except that Amand Hansen is about the same age as those children and born in France with a Norwegian/Danish surname

Interesting Joonie. Here is that marriage in more detail.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Horton
Name: George Horton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Age: 44
>>Spouse Name: Alice Hansen, widow
Spouse Age: 36
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Nov 1891
Parish: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Horton, dec. horsekeeper
>>Spouse Father: Alfred Kilmaster, dec. clerk
Register Type: Parish Register


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Kilmaster
Name: Alice Kilmaster
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Nov 1854
Father's Name: Alfred Kilmaster
Mother's name: Alice Kilmaster
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers


and her marriage.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Alice Kilmaster
Name: Alice Kilmaster
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881
Registration district: London City
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 131
Records on Page:
Name
Catherine Collins
>>Kristen Hansen
Alice Kilmaster
George Taylor

From atree on ancestry. No mention of Eva/Ava though.



amund charles hansen
Birth 16 sep 1883 in le havre normandy france
Death 6 oct 1958 in King County, Washington, USA


his father
kristen hansen
Birth 1854
Death 188?


Occupation
1881
London, London, England
seaman


his father
amman hansen


Occupation
shoemaker