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As the mother was recorded by her second forename.......................this is a speculative offering

Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Fisher Charlotte E Knaresbro 9a 104

Jon

Do you have Anthony's birth cert?

So can we rule out place of birth for Sydney as Walthamstow as I reckon that is wrong and misleading.

:Lets hope the poster has some certs

I rather think not........otherwise the error should not have been made

wonder if Gertrude was in fact Ethel G

Births Sep 1885
Conning Ethel Gertrude Darlington 10a 4

Darlington covered Harrowgate Hill to 1907

She was calling herself Emily G when she married

See the info on page one

I'd rather believe freebmd

Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%)
Fisher Betty Strange Westminster 1a 1350
Strange Ernest S Fisher Westminster 1a 1350

Image is definitely Ernest S - always check the image!

Not seeing a birth for an Emily Gertrude though so wondered if she was Ethel not Emily

Quite possible..............

Can't see a death for her under either name!

Perhaps Jon will return at some stage, and answer our questions

Think Shirley has the correct birth; 1891 census gives Gertrude's POB as Croft Durham:


1891 England Census
Gertrude Conning
Age:5
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1886
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:William Conning
Mother's name:Charlotte Conning
Where born:Croft, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Bilton with Harrogate
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
Town:Harrogate


The image for the 1885 birth IS Emily Gertrude, not Ethel. Wrong transcription on freebmd and Ancestry but as these records on Ancestry are taken from freebmd, not surprising. Will do a correction on freebmd.

Still no luck with Elizabeth!

We NEED feedback from the OP

This was my first post and I have been stunned by the unbelievably fast responses and all your kind attention. I am also grateful for the revelation and details of Elizabeth's marriage to Ernest S Strange in 1938, but remain puzzled that there is still no trace of her birth even though I now know this is believed to be 19/9/12. I already have full details of the birth of David and his marriage to my Mother Ivy, nee Robson on 14/101933, and confirm that Sydney was born in Walthamstow in March 1887- March quarter 1887 West Ham 4a 267 and in Census of 5/4/1891. In 1909 he was in Royal Artillery, Deepcut. Yes Margee, my Dad's mother was Gertrude.
Sorry Glitter Baby I do not have Anthony's 1931 B/C details. He died in the USA but he was born in Cardiff and known as Tony Scragg, which suggests that Elizabeth was married to her first husband at the time.
Reggie and Shirley, many thanks. I think that Elizabeth died around 1975 as a 'Strange'. Charlotte by the way (or Lottie) was Elizabeth's older sister.
Renewed thanks to all. I will carry on tracing Elizabeth , whom I met several times by the way, but, even so, regrettably can add nothing to the above.

If Anthony's parents had been married, the birth would not have been registered with both surnames.

If Charlotte was an older sister, the birth for Elizabeth would include MMN on the index.

As has been demonstrated, no such birth is recorded. Check freebmd yourself..................

And, as you have 'marked as answered', can we assume that you require no further help

If, as you say, you met Elizabeth...............where was she living?

If you're guessing now at the woman's birth based on the death info posted, that one didn't die till 2005

The other possibility is that Elizabeth was not the natural child of David's parents

Jon, the Sydney George Fisher whose birth details you quote, appears to be living with his parents as a single man in 1911.

Do you have Sydney and Gertrude's marriage cert? This will name his father and either confirm or deny whether you have the right Sydney.

What is your evidence that Sydney was at Deepcut in 1909? Is that from the marriage cert? If so, please can you give us all the details from it?

You MUST get a copy of the marriage cert for Emily Gertrude and Sydney if you wish to have an accurate family tree


The man in that marriage did not give a second forename........................