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Does anyone have any info on ludwig oscar ashby born marylebone 1864? No birth record for him, only found a record for ludwig oscar Westphal. Was there a name change and if so, why? Any help much appreciated

Hi Lesley and welcome to the boards.

How do you connect to Ludwig?

What else do you know about Ludwig please?

This is the Westphal one:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Ludwig Oscar Westphal
Name: Ludwig Oscar Westphal
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1864
Father's Name: Ludwig Westphal
Mother's name: Eliza Westphal
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 1st April, 1864.
2, Middleton Buildings.

Father is a Gas Meter Maker.

Dea x

Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 48
Birthplace: London Marylebone, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-District: Deptford North
Parish: St Paul Deptford
County: London

Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1890
Registration District: St. Saviour Southwark
County: London
Event Place: St. Saviour Southwark, London, England
Volume: 1D
Page: 148
Line Number: 188

Ludwig Oscar Ashby probably married one of the following people
Name: Eliza Sarah Bayfield
Name: Alice Copsey
Name: Mary Anne Kennedy

Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Event Type: Other
Event Date: 1905
Event Place: Borough of Rotherhithe, London, England


GS Film Number: 002355667 , Digital Folder Number: 007591881 , Image Number:

Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Birth Date: 1864
Birthplace: null
Age: 26
Spouse's Name: Alice Copsey
Spouse's Birth Date: 1863
Spouse's Birthplace: null
Spouse's Age: 27
Event Date: 02 Aug 1890
Event Place: Christ Church, Southwark, Surrey, England
Father's Name: Lewis Ashby
Mother's Name: null
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Copsey
Spouse's Mother's Name: null
Race: null
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name: null
Spouse's Race: null
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00743-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 384917
Reference ID: p 172, cn 343

connected?

Name: Albert Oscar Ashby
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Birthplace: London Deptford, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-District: Deptford North
Parish: St Paul Deptford
County: London

On his marriage his father is named as Lewis Ashby ***

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Age: 26
Spouse Name: Alice Copsey
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Aug 1890
Parish: Southwark Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Lewis Ashby *** (deceased) gas fitter)
Spouse Father: Henry Copsey
Register Type: Parish Register


Dea x

Name: Ludwig Oscar Westphal
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Aug 1864
Christening Place: ALL SOULS,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 01 Apr 1864
Father's Name: Ludwig Westphal
Mother's Name: Eliza


Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05391-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 580894

1881 census

Name: Lewis Ashby
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Eliza Ashby
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 18 Mason S
Occupation: Cork Trade
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 591
Folio: 32
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Ashby 40>>>>>>Widow born Felsham Suffolk
Lewis Ashby 17

Next door but one is a Charlie Ashby also born Suffolk

Births Jun 1864 (>99%)

WESTPHAL Ludwig Oscar Marylebone 1a 392





London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906



Name:Ludwig Oscar Westphal

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:14 Aug 1864

Father's Name:
Ludwig Westphal <<Gas meter maker

Mother's name:
Eliza Westphal

Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone

Borough:Westminster

Register Type:Parish Registers

He is still Lewis in 1891 but back to Ludwig for 1901 and 1911 ??

Dea x

1861 England Census


Name:Ludwig Westphal

Age:26

Estimated birth year:1835

Relation:Lodger

Gender:Male

Where born:
Preußen, Stoyr

Civil Parish:St Marylebone

Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints

County/Island:Middlesex

Registration district:Marylebone

Sub-registration district:All Souls

ED, institution, or vessel:10

Household schedule number:217

Piece:68

Folio:63

Page Number:42

Household Members:


Name

Age

Sarah Cox 54
Eliza Cox 27
Marion Cox 13
Lucy Gordon 29
Franz Pleiffer 27
Emil Kuseweller 26
Ludwig Westphal 26 <<<<<<Meter maker
James Cook 50
Mary Cook 48

the birth may not have been registered. penalties didn't come into force until 1875

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
36, Great Titchfield Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Franz Plesser Lodger Unmarried Male 27 1834 Meter Maker Hungary Image Transcription
Emil Kuseweker Lodger Unmarried Male 26 1835 Meter Maker Berlin, Prussia Image Transcription
Ludwig Westphal Lodger Unmarried Male 26 1835 Meter Maker Stoyr, Prussia Image Transcription
James Cook Lodger Married Male 50 1811 Shoe Maker St Lukes, Middlesex Image Transcription
Mary Cook Wife Married Female 48 1813 - Brixham, Devon Image Transcription
Susan Webster Servant Unmarried Female 18 1843 Servant Bayswater, Middlesex Image Transcription
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First name(s) Ludwig
Last name Westphal
Relationship Lodger
Marital condition Unmarried
Gender Male
Age 26
Birth year 1835
Occupation Meter Maker
Birth town Stoyr
Birth county -
Birth place (other) Prussia

Sorry, Gins, just noticed you'd added 1861

The name change, if there was one, was probably for sheer convenience.

I can't see a marriage for the father, but perhaps that took place in another country

Ludwig Oscar Ashby
England, London Electoral Registers, 1847-1913
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Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Event Type: Other
Event Date: 1912
Event Place: Borough of Deptford, London, England

So did Eliza marry a Lewis Ashby

Name: Eliza Osborn
Spouse Name: Lewis Ashby>>>>>>>>>>>Soldier
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jan 1872
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Osborn>>>>>>Farmer
Spouse Father: Robert Ashby
Register Type: Parish Register

Both full age and neither married before